"When My Rapist Showed Up On Facebook"

Started by Shiranu, October 04, 2015, 12:26:05 AM

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Shiranu

Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

Hijiri Byakuren

At the risk of offending...



Maybe it's just because I'm poetry-deaf, but I understood very little of what was in this video.
Black lives matter, feminism is good, religion is bullshit, and if you disagree with me on any of these points you are a fucking moron.<br /><br />Sargon The Grape - My Youtube Channel

mauricio

holy shit i cringed so hard I could not finish it, that is imo some fucking terrible poetry not that I expected much from a buzzfeed video.

Johan

Yeah, I couldn't hang with this one. Sorry.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Munch

#4
Ok, maybe I've got thicker skin then most, but I watched it.

On the one hand, I agree fully with the message. In todays culture, the idea of male rape occurring, it treated with far less seriousness then any female rape case, men who report rape are more likely to be scuffed at because "that can't happen to a man, only women get raped", be it a man being raped by another man, or a man of any sexuality being raped by a woman, this shit happens, and it gets ignored more often then not when compared to female rape victims.

That said, the way this video presented it was.. urm.. wwwuh? I know buzzfeed does shit like this all the time, being preachy and elaborate, and this just came off as some art-house attempt at trying to talk about an issue men can face in society.

So, it does happen, and it needs to be recognized, but they could tone down the message in this video and just state the facts. Men can be rape victims to, heres the statistics, they are ignored by people or told to man up. Thats all it needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=CRl9pBnQEP8

Its suggested often that there are countless cases of male rape victims who don't come forward and report, because the idea of it getting out that they were raped is so destroying to some men, they don't want anyone knowing it happened to them.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Solitary

Very dramatic, I like it. I'm sure the feminist here can relate to it, and any man raped as a child or adult :c029:.
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

mauricio

#6
Quote from: Munch on October 04, 2015, 02:55:30 PM

On the one hand, I agree fully with the message. In todays culture, the idea of male rape occurring, it treated with far less seriousness then any female rape case, men who report rape are more likely to be scuffed at because "that can't happen to a man, only women get raped"

*snip for length*

Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.

Munch

Quote from: mauricio on October 04, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.

Yeah, agreed, not sure who he was aiming the video towards, but it didn't have quite the impact he might have hoped for
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Hijiri Byakuren

Quote from: Munch on October 04, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Ok, maybe I've got thicker skin then most, but I watched it.
Oh don't get me wrong, I watched the whole thing, I just didn't really understand the whole over-the-top arthouse thing.
Black lives matter, feminism is good, religion is bullshit, and if you disagree with me on any of these points you are a fucking moron.<br /><br />Sargon The Grape - My Youtube Channel

Munch

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on October 04, 2015, 05:55:21 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I watched the whole thing, I just didn't really understand the whole over-the-top arthouse thing.

Wasn't meaning to sound rude, just meant I'd dive in at the deep end and take the pain of it. Turns out it was more wuh then mind melting
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Mermaid

Quote from: mauricio on October 04, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.
"for some reason"?
Maybe because 1 in 6 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime, and 1 in 33 men are?
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

That's "feminist propaganda"?

A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

mauricio

#11
Quote from: Mermaid on October 04, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
"for some reason"?
Maybe because 1 in 6 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime, and 1 in 33 men are?
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims

That's "feminist propaganda"?



I assume you are responding to the "focus on more" part of my sentence since I assume you understand that a higher incidence of a crime on some population on average does not really make that crime worse just because it is directed at a member of that population.

First you did not quote properly the page you cited, since attempted assault is included in that number. Second that page is very misleading. It did not took me long to find the bullshit. They start with this "1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape)." The follows with this "Women 18-24 who are enrolled in college are 3 times more likely than women in general to suffer from sexual violence." Misleading people to the ridiculous conclusion that women in college are getting raped left and right. At an even higher rate than 1 in 6. So i look at the source:Bureau of Justice Statistics, Office of Justice Programs, Department of Justice. Rape and Sexual Victimization Among College-Aged Females, 1995-2013. 2014


Uh oh what is this thing about per 1000? wonder why did they choose to quote some of the percentages and observations of that paper but missed the critical data from where they got them, bet it has nothing to do with the fact that it completely contradicts the 1 in 6 claims by being almost TWENTY EIGHT TIMES LOWER.

Also this:

"Females ages 18 to 24 had higher rates of rape and
sexual assault than females in other age groups
From 1997 to 2013, females ages 18 to 24 consistently
experienced higher rates of rape and sexual assault than
females in other age brackets"



mmm so this is the highest the numbers get when comparing age brackets wonder how then you get the 1 in 6 american women... maybe there are some serious methodological fuck ups going on around here? nah can't be, feminists are known to use statistics diligently like on the wage gap... oh, wait.

And this:

"According to the NCVS, for the period 1995â€"2013,
the rate of rape and sexual assault for female students
ages 18 to 24 was 6.1 per 1,000 persons (see table 1).
Using the GVFs, it was determined that the estimated
victimization rate has a standard error of 0.56 (see
appendix table 2). A confidence interval around the
estimate was generated by multiplying the standard
errors by ±1.96 (the t-score of a normal, two-tailed
distribution that excludes 2.5% at either end of the
distribution). Therefore, the 95% confidence interval
around the 6.1 estimate is 6.1 ± (0.56 X 1.96) or (5.0 to
7.2). In others words, if different samples using the same
procedures were taken from the U.S. female student
population, 95% of the time the rape and sexual assault
rate would fall between 5.0 and 7.2 per 1,000 persons
"


Seem like the page you cited is cutting and stitching together pieces of papers to create a Frankenstein of paranoia and hyperbole: feminist propaganda. Otherwise they would not conveniently ignore the massive discrepancy in data between some of their sources and just quote the parts that seem to promote the idea that there's a rape epidemic reducing it all to a 1 in 6 women get raped!!!111 when even the papers they are quoting actually paint a much more complicated picture that needs some serious analysis of methodologies and definitions.

Mermaid

There is something wrong with you. Jesus Christ.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

GrinningYMIR

Don't argue against men being rapists, you never win.

According to the media I'm a sexist, patriarch supporting, minority smashing, homophobic nazi because I'm a white male of German descent in the lower middle class.

Yup.
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drunkenshoe

Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 05, 2015, 11:08:12 AM
Don't argue against men being rapists, you never win.

According to the media I'm a sexist, patriarch supporting, minority smashing, homophobic nazi because I'm a white male of German descent in the lower middle class.

Yup.

And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist; I hate all men, want them dead or castrated because I talk about gender issues out loud AND say that we live in a male culture and that is equal to  'castrating' men as you yourself contribute by jumping into a thread and make some disgusting joke about castration with my  name when you feel like it.

According to the men's rights activists I am also supporting rape hoaxers just by being a feminist. Yeah.

I could go on about some other subjects if you like. About what I am from 'apologist' to 'anti...insert something western here' according to the mainstream American media and so the forum because I am not American.

Yup

But then if you have time please go visit fbi on male violence on females by race and compare black and white for example.

Stop being childish.



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