http://www.refinery29.com/2017/01/135961/more-americans-identifying-lgbt
QuoteNumbers don't lie â€" and the latest statistics may be an indication that we're making ground when it comes to LGBTQ acceptance. A Gallup poll released yesterday revealed that "American adults identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) increased to 4.1% in 2016 from 3.5% in 2012." Over 10 million American adults are now identifying as LGBT, which is up from 1.75 million back in 2012.
The information was gathered from a pool of 1.6 million American adults over the past five years. The statisticians at Gallup said that more than 49,000 respondents replied "yes" when asked, "Do you, personally, identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender?" According to Gallup, this new data set shows the "largest representative sample of LGBT Americans."
The poll also breaks down respondents' ages and ethnic groups. Millennials, which Gallup defines as those born between 1980 and 1998, are "are more than twice as likely as any other generation to identify as LGBT." In 2012, millennials made up 48% of America's LGBT population. In the new poll, that number jumped to 58%. The latest stats also show that the number of women identifying as LGBT rose more than men: LGBT identification in women jumped to 4.4%, and the increase was 3.7% among men. All racial groups, income groups, and education levels reported higher than in previous years, as well. This doesn't mean that there are more LGBT people overall, it just indicates that more people are being open about their sexuality.
The Gallup poll confirms information gathered by the Archives of Sexual Behavior, which found that Americans are more bi-curious than ever, as well.
For those curious: the ratio of queer people hasn't gone up, it's just that more people are willing to admit that they're queer.
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
Privileged minority status can be quite rewarding in some circles.
They would do splendidly in an Islamic country.
Endangered species? LOL.
Look up "Queers for Palestine". Yes there are such people.
here (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/01/despite-all-the-queers-for-palestine-marches-in-the-west-palestinians-do-not-want-support-from-homosexuals/)
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
Jesus Christ, is there anything you aren't a bitter old douche about?
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
They would do splendidly in an Islamic country.
Endangered species? LOL.
Look up "Queers for Palestine". Yes there are such people.
here (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/01/despite-all-the-queers-for-palestine-marches-in-the-west-palestinians-do-not-want-support-from-homosexuals/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQqz6IPado
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
No. An old regular is cherishing his newly found homosexuality and he is posting about how LGBTQP people are getting more comfortable about identifying themselves every day.
That's how many self-identify as gay. We know there are a LOT of closet cases among the Repubiclans and Christain fundamentalists.
Just had one of those nature versus nurture debates over this exact topic. Incredible the leaps people will go to in God's name.
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
Oh, yes. I'm sure proclaiming oneself as LGBTQP comes with a ton of benefits, such as not having to go to family gatherings, increased financial independence, and frequent opportunities to educate friends and strangers alike of what it means to be LGBTQP.
On OP ... Camille Paglia sees "out of the closet" as just part of the late stage of a dying culture, the breaking of all social rules in the name of relativism. That and self-hate. I would agree with the self-hate part. I don't think that Rome fell because of the questionable sexuality of Emperor Elagabalus. I think it had more to do with an out of control MIC that was replacing Emperors every few years or even months. We may see this soon in the US. It has been claimed that JEB started the sex-defamation against Trump, that the Clintons paid for it, and we know what lame-duck craziness Obama is doing. Looking very Pretorian Guard to me. But if we can throw the snowflakes to the lions in the Colosseum ... then all right.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on January 13, 2017, 06:56:35 AM
For those curious: the ratio of queer people hasn't gone up, it's just that more people are willing to admit that they're queer.
Not at all... the government gay ray is targeting US citizens. It's evil beam converts people to gayness in order to... something... um, reduce population growth in order to... um, something about the New World Order... then... imagine horrible things and pretend I said those horrible things would happen.
Checkmate!
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
They would do splendidly in an Islamic country.
Endangered species? LOL.
Look up "Queers for Palestine". Yes there are such people.
here (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/01/despite-all-the-queers-for-palestine-marches-in-the-west-palestinians-do-not-want-support-from-homosexuals/)
Please go jack someone else's thread.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on January 13, 2017, 06:56:35 AM
For those curious: the ratio of queer people hasn't gone up, it's just that more people are willing to admit that they're queer.
The fear is melting away, but even now, we both know certain lines cannot be crossed. For some of us, being too open will still cost us our families.
LGBTQPAI just seems like a jumbled mess of meaning now, I'd sooner someone make a new word for it instead just adding another sexual status every few years. Give it another ten years and it'll be something like LGBTQPAIHJODCVYWQXMUR.
It's really just LGBT+ in all the "elitest, liberal intelligentsia" circles I have seen.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
LGBTQPAI just seems like a jumbled mess of meaning now, I'd sooner someone make a new word for it instead just adding another sexual status every few years. Give it another ten years and it'll be something like LGBTQPAIHJODCVYWQXMUR.
I tend to just prefer queer for similar reasons. If you care enough about someone to dig more into the specifics, the over-specialized labels won't matter. Besides, if we can't keep track of all those letters, how can we expect anyone else to? Even I don't know what the 'AI' part means.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on January 13, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
I tend to just prefer queer for similar reasons. If you care enough about someone to dig more into the specifics, the over-specialized labels won't matter. Besides, if we can't keep track of all those letters, how can we expect anyone else to? Even I don't know what the 'AI' part means.
Asexual and intersexual.. whatever intersexual means. Whatever new special snowflake invents for their 'unique' sexual status and buzzfeed coins it.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
Asexual and intersexual.. whatever intersexual means. Whatever new special snowflake invents for their 'unique' sexual status and buzzfeed coins it.
And gays aren't special snowflakes who invented their own orientation? After all, I don't understand how someone can be gay, so they must just be doing it for attention.
I'm hoping your post was a bit of self depreciating humor, but the internet conveys it very poorly.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
Asexual and intersexual.. whatever intersexual means. Whatever new special snowflake invents for their 'unique' sexual status and buzzfeed coins it.
Um. Isn't intersex another word for hermaphroditism?
Quote from: pr126 on January 13, 2017, 07:17:41 AM
Proclaiming being LGBTQP is a status symbol now?
Is there a reward for it?
Just asking.
REALLY!??
Quote from: Mermaid on January 13, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
REALLY!??
Yep. Being gay is a status symbol now.
Just last week I tried to show up the neighbors by proudly displaying my 4k smartphone (4k is both the resolution and price in british sterling)
He showed off his yacht, which he hauls around in a cargo transport (he doesn't want to harm its value by getting it wet)
My retort: "Oh yeah, well I did five guys at Five Guys!"
Boom, instant praise and adoration from every American, including the huge chunk of America that up until recently was zealously opposed to gay marriage to the point of seriously arguing that natural disasters were the result of gay people hooking up.
Well, they've all changed their tune. It used to be that smoking cigarettes made you look cool. Now it's smoking sausages.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 13, 2017, 08:56:09 AM
No. An old regular is cherishing his newly found homosexuality and he is posting about how LGBTQP people are getting more comfortable about identifying themselves every day.
Wait... Ps are in the fam now? :djparty:
Kidding. I assume that is for pan. Just gave me a chuckle because the alt right has been calling it lgbtqp for a while now.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 13, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
And gays aren't special snowflakes who invented their own orientation? After all, I don't understand how someone can be gay, so they must just be doing it for attention.
I'm hoping your post was a bit of self depreciating humor, but the internet conveys it very poorly.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/s9Rf0v3nZwpgRaz_kIdTif9FUaRA8GBdNqe98vcb9VY.jpg?w=691&s=8f71ed5d82ee0be49f642086b1bed513)
Seems like so many want their own uniqueness to their own, personalized sexual identify.
Let's not even get started on 'otherkin'
Quote from: _Xenu_ on January 13, 2017, 06:20:29 PM
The fear is melting away, but even now, we both know certain lines cannot be crossed. For some of us, being too open will still cost us our families.
Unfortunately. I count myself very lucky that my family accepted me.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 13, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Just had one of those nature versus nurture debates over this exact topic. Incredible the leaps people will go to in God's name.
I have to admit I am curious. How much is nature and how much is nurture? Just wanting whatever your opinion is. Nothing you say about this is going to offend me.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on January 14, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
I have to admit I am curious. How much is nature and how much is nurture? Just wanting whatever your opinion is. Nothing you say about this is going to offend me.
How can it be anything but nature.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 14, 2017, 07:34:39 PM
How can it be anything but nature.
Eh, what we find attractive is largely nurture, so I am sure there is room for it in sexuality as well.
Quote from: Munch on January 14, 2017, 04:08:23 AM
(https://i.redditmedia.com/s9Rf0v3nZwpgRaz_kIdTif9FUaRA8GBdNqe98vcb9VY.jpg?w=691&s=8f71ed5d82ee0be49f642086b1bed513)
Seems like so many want their own uniqueness to their own, personalized sexual identify.
Let's not even get started on 'otherkin'
That graph makes me cringe
Quote from: _Xenu_ on January 14, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
I have to admit I am curious. How much is nature and how much is nurture? Just wanting whatever your opinion is. Nothing you say about this is going to offend me.
Evidence currently seems to point to nature, but most psychological differences are believed to be the result of both nature and nurture. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 14, 2017, 07:41:05 PM
Eh, what we find attractive is largely nurture, so I am sure there is room for it in sexuality as well.
Raise boys with dolls and put them in dresses ... and they will become nurturing? Culture just rearranges the deck chairs, nature is what fuels the boat.
I remember a study where a scientist separated twins at birth and raised the girl as a boy and a boy as a girl. I'm going to sleep, but I'll have to find it when I get up. If I remember correctly, raising them as the opposite of what their nature was making them lean.... Caused problems psychologically. Because it is largely nature.
A mtf trans person doesn't need the transition because they were raised as a girl, it's because they have a biological drive... The nature to do so
Sent from your mom.
And being a heterosexual is not a status? It's the central, 'ultimate' status that every other one has been placed around accordingly and that standard hierarchy is a reason why LBGT identities have become statuses of their own. What are you even talking about?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 15, 2017, 04:50:20 AM
And being a heterosexual is not a status? It's the central, 'ultimate' status that every other one has been placed around accordingly and that standard hierarchy is a reason why LBGT identities have become statuses of their own. What are you even talking about?
Perhaps ... the OP is concerned that if LGBT is a privileged status (cough) then people will falsely identify as such, to get unearned state benefits?
Of course in any society, whatever the majority is like ... creates a dialectic for minorities. They both want to conform (even if they can't) and they reject the majority. This does't work, assimilation, for most African-Americans ... because they can't make their apparent origin ambiguous. Nobody knows if your Irish grandmother was a maid if you are White ... but they do think it probable that you ancestor was a slave, because ...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 15, 2017, 04:21:40 AM
I remember a study where a scientist separated twins at birth and raised the girl as a boy and a boy as a girl. I'm going to sleep, but I'll have to find it when I get up. If I remember correctly, raising them as the opposite of what their nature was making them lean.... Caused problems psychologically. Because it is largely nature.
A mtf trans person doesn't need the transition because they were raised as a girl, it's because they have a biological drive... The nature to do so
Sent from your mom.
biology and psychology play a part in both what people end up wanting to be later, the difference between what you are and what you expect to be is what causes a lot of grief to people 'i'm your father and you will be this way', or the 'accepted norm' within said society repressing people from what they biologically and mentally want to be.
Cultures and religions fuck people over in the worst ways.
Quote from: Munch on January 15, 2017, 09:16:47 AM
biology and psychology play a part in both what people end up wanting to be later, the difference between what you are and what you expect to be is what causes a lot of grief to people 'i'm your father and you will be this way', or the 'accepted norm' within said society repressing people from what they biologically and mentally want to be.
Cultures and religions fuck people over in the worst ways.
if children weren't forced to conform (in some ways, not all) then we would have Lord of the Flies. In fact, I attribute most of today's problems to broken families (and yes, I blame the parents, the children are minors). Anarchists might think it fun for children to do whatever they feel like doing. Family is oppressive ... get over it already. And yes, some parents suck more than others, humans usually don't get good at parenting until it is too late. In my case, I wouldn't have any problem with my daughter expressing alternative sexuality or politics ... I would just caution her, and let her know I back her up. But then I am awesome!
Quote from: _Xenu_ on January 14, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
I have to admit I am curious. How much is nature and how much is nurture? Just wanting whatever your opinion is. Nothing you say about this is going to offend me.
I see no reason that at a baseline 'queer' identity is not genetic or otherwise natural. I didn't choose to be straight so I doubt millions chose to be queer and ostracized. While I do understand how nurture plays a role in actual attraction (an issue I'm struggling with now) and quite possibly examples like that graph of graysexual-abiosexual... are possibly nurture, it would seem irrational that someone wasn't naturally homosexual. Of course I got hit with, "I know gays who've been saved by Christ and everyone makes a choice to be gay.". It was a good talk over all however, though I got zero answers for God of course.
Quote from: Baruch on January 15, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
if children weren't forced to conform (in some ways, not all) then we would have Lord of the Flies. In fact, I attribute most of today's problems to broken families (and yes, I blame the parents, the children are minors). Anarchists might think it fun for children to do whatever they feel like doing. Family is oppressive ... get over it already. And yes, some parents suck more than others, humans usually don't get good at parenting until it is too late. In my case, I wouldn't have any problem with my daughter expressing alternative sexuality or politics ... I would just caution her, and let her know I back her up. But then I am awesome!
You sir, get a gold star for parenting.
It's like me, I will support my nephews choice to watch minions. I'll be screaming in my head the entire time to end my suffering, but I can put on a face pretending to enjoy it with him.
Quote from: Baruch on January 15, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
if children weren't forced to conform (in some ways, not all) then we would have Lord of the Flies. In fact, I attribute most of today's problems to broken families (and yes, I blame the parents, the children are minors)...
Which problems exactly are broken families responsible for?
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 15, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Which problems exactly are broken families responsible for?
Instability leading to psychological problems, lack of developed empathy, social disorder.
It's a case by case basis how children are able to survive their families being broken, some might come out of it fine, while others might be damaged by it. It's a massive blow to any kid to lose that kind of stability around them.
Quote from: Munch on January 15, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
You sir, get a gold star for parenting.
It's like me, I will support my nephews choice to watch minions. I'll be screaming in my head the entire time to end my suffering, but I can put on a face pretending to enjoy it with him.
I blame my parents ;-) They weren't overbearing, but then I was mostly conformist. I came a little bit later than the 60s hippies. They understood I was a little different, but weren't actively supportive either. My daughter's mother was't overbearing either, just the usual mother-daughter fights.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 15, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Which problems exactly are broken families responsible for?
Broken families sometimes break themselves, sometimes they are broken by government policy and economic chaos. No, you don't have to have a mom and a dad ... but you need two parents (even two aunts or two uncles) because it is too hard all by yourself. And you need economic and other stability. The kid will grow up naturally, if you just provide a supportive and nurturing environment for 20+ years ;-) Of course the plutocracy doesn't want middle class people, they want desperate poor people. Of course people mess themselves up, for a thousand reasons. If you are a kid in Aleppo, in a war zone, and you just got orphaned ... you are not likely to grow up normal.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
LGBTQPAI just seems like a jumbled mess of meaning now, I'd sooner someone make a new word for it instead just adding another sexual status every few years. Give it another ten years and it'll be something like LGBTQPAIHJODCVYWQXMUR.
I remember when it was just LGB. Give it another ten years and we'll all just be getting on with our lives without obsessing over our neighbours sexuality.
Quote from: Jason78 on January 15, 2017, 03:37:34 PM
I remember when it was just LGB. Give it another ten years and we'll all just be getting on with our lives without obsessing over our neighbours sexuality.
I still say your avatar looks like Cinnamon, Rajesh's dog from the Big Bang Theory.
Quote from: Munch on January 15, 2017, 11:42:43 AM
Instability leading to psychological problems, lack of developed empathy, social disorder.
It's a case by case basis how children are able to survive their families being broken, some might come out of it fine, while others might be damaged by it. It's a massive blow to any kid to lose that kind of stability around them.
I suppose I should've asked, "Which of 'most of today's problems' are broken families responsible for?" Case by case doesn't sound like most.
Quote from: Baruch on January 15, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Broken families sometimes break themselves, sometimes they are broken by government policy and economic chaos. No, you don't have to have a mom and a dad ... but you need two parents (even two aunts or two uncles) because it is too hard all by yourself. And you need economic and other stability. The kid will grow up naturally, if you just provide a supportive and nurturing environment for 20+ years ;-) Of course the plutocracy doesn't want middle class people, they want desperate poor people. Of course people mess themselves up, for a thousand reasons. If you are a kid in Aleppo, in a war zone, and you just got orphaned ... you are not likely to grow up normal.
This is not the answer to the question.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 15, 2017, 11:56:52 PM
This is not the answer to the question.
Do you believe in cause/effect? Do you believe anyone or any circumstance ... is responsible for anything? Or do you hate families?
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 12:43:58 AM
Do you believe in cause/effect? Do you believe anyone or any circumstance ... is responsible for anything? Or do you hate families?
This is entirely non-sequitur and still not the answer to the question. You made the initial statement, and I asked a simple question. Stop question dodging.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 16, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
This is entirely non-sequitur and still not the answer to the question. You made the initial statement, and I asked a simple question. Stop question dodging.
Your responses are too brief, I am unable to compute ;-) I will have to ask the MCP at Tron to provide a software patch.
Incomprehension, isn't the same as dodging. Please restate in your own words ... as I have been encouraging you to do.
I stated ... broken families are part of the problem in society (but not with LGBT). Perhaps you thought I was implying something different, that LGBT is caused by abuse.
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Your responses are too brief, I am unable to compute ;-) I will have to ask the MCP at Tron to provide a software patch.
Incomprehension, isn't the same as dodging. Please restate in your own words ... as I have been encouraging you to do.
I stated ... broken families are part of the problem in society (but not with LGBT). Perhaps you thought I was implying something different, that LGBT is caused by abuse.
"In fact, I attribute most of today's problems to broken families (and yes, I blame the parents, the children are minors)."
Which of most of today's problems are due to broken families?
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on January 13, 2017, 06:56:35 AM
For those curious: the ratio of queer people hasn't gone up, it's just that more people are willing to admit that they're queer.
Exactly what I was going to say. It's not that more people are gay, just that it's no longer wrongly stigmatized. Not only are more people willing to admit it to each other, more people are willing to admit it to themselves.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on January 16, 2017, 02:33:03 PM
"In fact, I attribute most of today's problems to broken families (and yes, I blame the parents, the children are minors)."
Which of most of today's problems are due to broken families?
Low income, low self esteem, confused social/gender roles (not sexuality), crime etc. and of course alcohol/drug abuse.
You are far more likely to be successful in any society ... if you have proper support and comfort while growing up, you don't get that as a street rat in the ghetto. Even under the best of conditions, it is still a crap shoot. One little slip differently by my natural/adoptive parents and I would be slitting someone's throat.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 14, 2017, 07:41:05 PM
Eh, what we find attractive is largely nurture, so I am sure there is room for it in sexuality as well.
The possibility is there I guess, but I remember falling for the Backstreet Boys before puberty even because Nick looked good shirtless. Now, as a grown ass man, I criticize Nicks hair because it's stupid in retrospect.