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Too many times I've been told to "just lighten up" about Christianity, or been told, "whats the big deal?"
Christards are dangerous and the Jehovahs Witnesses are a special kind of dangerous...

Quote from: Internet ArticleJose has one of the most extreme facial tumours ever seen in medical history. The 51-year-old, from Portugal, is in danger of being suffocated by it unless he undergoes drastic surgery. Unemployed, he is blind in one eye as a result of the giant weeping growth that has consumed his features; the tumour has taken over his mouth and tongue, ballooning his lips, twisting his gums and breaking his teeth off. The deep, 15cm long growth - which started as a birth mark when he was just 11 - was sparked by abnormalities in his capillaries and veins. It started to get much bigger when he hit 16 and has been expanding ever since. He recently flew to the UK to discuss the possibility of surgery to remove part of the tumour. But because his mother was a Jehovah's Witness, he refused any surgery because his religion means he can't have blood transfusions. Doctors in London came up with a plan to remove parts of the growth bit by bit - without transfusion.

Is it just me or should that man's mother be shot for allowing this kind of disease to devastate her son.  At what fucking point do you give up on your horse shit religion and get your son medical attention?!?  Exactly how big does a tumor have to be before its just a bit intrusive??"

Fucking christards!

Your unabated rage is not helping the situation. Countries need to put laws and stipulations in place stopping this problem. This very problem - religious people denying loved ones medical care based on religious pretexts/justifications - is actually huge. This will only stop, or greatly minimize, when like I said countries put laws in place punishing those who withhold medical care from loved ones for religious reasons.

Until then, these articles will keep pouring in.

SCOTUS just turned a corporation into a religious entity, so next thing we'll be banned from interceding on behalf of people vis a vis religious rights. I've seen too many examples of religious stupid overriding common sense to have much faith in any outcome that shows the stupidity of religion.

Quote from: frosty on July 02, 2014, 10:46:12 PM
Your unabated rage is not helping the situation.

An interesting point, albeit - not well thought out. 
First, your remark implies that my anger against such religious atrocity is unwarranted.  This is not only insulting but ridiculous.  Is a person not allowed to express anger against a priest molesting a child or a drunk beating his child?  My anger is the same thing and it is not only warranted but should also be expected.

Second, your remark is something of a "Captain Obvious" response.  Were I to express my anger about the US government sending troops into yet another unauthorized international conflict one could easily say, "thats not helping the situation."  Well, no shit.  There's a thousand different emotional responses about the atrocities of this world that will never help nor hinder a situation.  That doesn't mean that one should not express their happiness or their disdain for those actions.

That being said, would you like to clarify what it is you were trying to imply with that statement.  Do the emotions of other people offend you somehow?  Did you wish for me to respond differently to human atrocities cause by religion?

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Countries need to put laws and stipulations in place stopping this problem. This very problem - religious people denying loved ones medical care based on religious pretexts/justifications - is actually huge. This will only stop, or greatly minimize, when like I said countries put laws in place punishing those who withhold medical care from loved ones for religious reasons.

Until then, these articles will keep pouring in.

Yes, that would be obviously helpful.  Not realistic in this day and age, but helpful.

Quote from: Jagare on July 03, 2014, 07:40:47 PM

That being said, would you like to clarify what it is you were trying to imply with that statement.  Do the emotions of other people offend you somehow?  Did you wish for me to respond differently to human atrocities cause by religion?

When I first glanced at your post, it seemed more overly emotional than what I accustomed to reading on here or any other site for that matter. Your reply to what I said was a bit better, but still a bit too emotional for my tastes. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything like that, I'm simply trying to convey the message that it's pointless to slam your keyboard in childish rage at something you have no control over.

The emotions of other people do not offend me because I am past that stage. It really doesn't mean much to me. Atrocities caused by religion can be tamed by doing what I said in my first post, until then I can't see the point of wasting your life and energy getting offended by this type of stuff. You must be new to these types of things.

Quote from: frosty on July 03, 2014, 08:03:22 PMI'm simply trying to convey the message that it's pointless to slam your keyboard in childish rage at something you have no control over.

No it isn't and I wouldn't call it childish rage. This is just venting, and it helps. It's part of the reason communities like this one exist.

Quote from: Shol'va on July 03, 2014, 09:54:33 PM
No it isn't and I wouldn't call it childish rage. This is just venting, and it helps. It's part of the reason communities like this one exist.

Part of it yes, but not the whole reason. Acting like a 13 year old in response to things you can't control... well, I don't see the reasoning behind that. He reminds me a lot of myself when I was younger and I was overly emotional and got offended at every single injustice on the planet. There comes a time where you are no longer capable of expending your energy for such things, and if you don't successfully achieve that part of maturity, then insanity awaits.

Quote from: frosty on July 04, 2014, 12:00:27 AM
Part of it yes, but not the whole reason. Acting like a 13 year old in response to things you can't control... well, I don't see the reasoning behind that. He reminds me a lot of myself when I was younger and I was overly emotional and got offended at every single injustice on the planet. There comes a time where you are no longer capable of expending your energy for such things, and if you don't successfully achieve that part of maturity, then insanity awaits.

That's a little hurtful, not all us minors are so very immature. Although, this little attitude argument is quite childish. :)

Quote from: Happythecat on July 05, 2014, 12:53:45 PM
That's a little hurtful, not all us minors are so very immature. Although, this little attitude argument is quite childish. :)

Is that all you have to say? Is this the point where I give you a spanking and show you the door?

Yep!  This is a perfect example of christian stupidity.  I too am angry to hear about this.

  Personally, I feel more comfortable around people that get angry about stuff  than I do around those that put on a happy face, chill out, throw up their hands and say stupid things like, 'It is what it is or stop acting like a child."   I have more respect for those that feel for others and are outraged when silly superstitions trump Reason and Thought and Sanity!

Anger can be healthy.  Anger makes us sad and mad and needs to be let out.  Either with a friend or in a chat room.   Healthy anger could cause us to take some kind of action.  An action that might someday lead to change.  It also puts us in touch with those that feel the same way and somehow that's a comfort.  Venting is a good thing.  A vent is not a rant. 

It's also a little nasty to try to insult someone that's venting by calling them a child.   Besides being preachy it's like pouring salt into an open wound while at the same time calling them a brat.   That's a rant!

Everyone isn't in the same place as you. 

Quote from: justme on July 06, 2014, 01:15:55 AM
Yep!  This is a perfect example of christian stupidity.  I too am angry to hear about this.

  Personally, I feel more comfortable around people that get angry about stuff  than I do around those that put on a happy face, chill out, throw up their hands and say stupid things like, 'It is what it is or stop acting like a child."   I have more respect for those that feel for others and are outraged when silly superstitions trump Reason and Thought and Sanity!

Anger can be healthy.  Anger makes us sad and mad and needs to be let out.  Either with a friend or in a chat room.   Healthy anger could cause us to take some kind of action.  An action that might someday lead to change.  It also puts us in touch with those that feel the same way and somehow that's a comfort.  Venting is a good thing.  A vent is not a rant. 

It's also a little nasty to try to insult someone that's venting by calling them a child.   Besides being preachy it's like pouring salt into an open wound while at the same time calling them a brat.   That's a rant!

Everyone isn't in the same place as you. 

Being preachy? What? I'm trying to tell you people how things really are, with no niceties or sugar-coating attached to it. I already stated that venting has a positive therapeutic effect - to a certain degree. After that, you become a whiny, incessant person who is screaming at a world that is not hearing you. I did that, and I ended up a blunted, depressed person who was frustrated with everything.

So, aside from all this 'feel sorry for me, let me complain all the time' Internet bullshit, I'm going to tell you the way things are as I've consistently observed them over a long period of time. I'm trying to spare you unnecessary hardship. If you want people to circlejerk you, and constantly feed you what you want to hear 24/7, then go talk to someone else because you're not going to get it from me. You can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

There is not one person on this earth, including you, that is capable of sparing another from the hardships and difficulties life dishes out.   

This is exactly what religious kooks are all about.  They want to save us.  Make us happy.   They have the answer.  They know the way to peace.  They're enlightened while we're lost.   If we'd only join them and give up our way of thinking, feeling, and our beliefs, (our lives) we'll find happiness.  But wait! There's more.  We also get eternal life. 

Sound familar?

I'm sure many on here have observed the world around us for a long time.  Perhaps even longer than you.

Quote from: justme on July 06, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
There is not one person on this earth, including you, that is capable of sparing another from the hardships and difficulties life dishes out.   

This is exactly what religious kooks are all about.  They want to save us.  Make us happy.   They have the answer.  They know the way to peace.  They're enlightened while we're lost.   If we'd only join them and give up our way of thinking, feeling, and our beliefs, (our lives) we'll find happiness.  But wait! There's more.  We also get eternal life. 

Sound familar?

I'm sure many on here have observed the world around us for a long time.  Perhaps even longer than you.

Not to nit pick but a person could theoretically be "saved" from all the hardships of life quite easily. Its called being dead. And with todays modern weaponry anyone is capable of setting you on that path.

Quote from: justme on July 06, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
There is not one person on this earth, including you, that is capable of sparing another from the hardships and difficulties life dishes out.

False. I've been warned beforehand by even anonymous people who I didn't know about certain grave dangers that have awaited me before. I heeded their warnings, saw others who didn't, and avoided more hardship and unnecessary issues. Nobody can stop all of life's difficulties, but if people are willing to listen then it prevents a lot of problems and benefits the individual.

What I told you in this post is just one example, even about myself. I could go on and on but it's pointless if you wish to ignore the message.

QuoteThis is exactly what religious kooks are all about.  They want to save us.  Make us happy.   They have the answer.  They know the way to peace.  They're enlightened while we're lost.   If we'd only join them and give up our way of thinking, feeling, and our beliefs, (our lives) we'll find happiness.  But wait! There's more.  We also get eternal life. 

Sound familar?

Do you have some type of strange persecution complex? Do you really think I am comparable to Theists in these activities, and that I am doing this to you here? You really need to get out of your black-white thinking box because I can see it's not helping you at all. You seem to be taking your distaste of Theists and their religious activities and attaching it to me in some type of peculiar association with them. It's like comparing apples and pizza, but it seems like you absolutely insist on using the comparison so goodie for you then.

QuoteSound familar?

I'm sure many on here have observed the world around us for a long time.  Perhaps even longer than you.

Lots of regular members are older, it seems, but you seem to have completely missed the point of anything I said. Why? You didn't want to hear it because it inconvenienced you. I have given older people advice before, and they have given me advice. Even if you have observed the world for a longer time than me, you don't seem to be very good at it. Take my advice, help yourself and benefit from it, or whine like a helpless little bitch on the Internet for the rest of your life meanwhile things remain the same and nobody hears your screams. Your choice.

Somebody needs a hug.

Quote from: justme on July 06, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Somebody needs a hug.

how to end an argument when you know you lost.

This is amazing to me.  A person is being honest about there feelings of outrage at the stupidity of religious dogma that makes a son suffer when they could have been helped, and he is slammed for it and called names. I'm 72 years old and I still get angry at the stupidity of religious nuts even if I can't do something about it---that's what makes us human, rather than an unfeeling better than though ass hole because we are jaded by life.  :butt: Solitary   

Quote from: justme on July 06, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Somebody needs a hug.

Yeah, and it's obviously you after I intellectually, verbally and virtually knocked your teeth out of your face  :smile2:

Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 07, 2014, 12:33:04 PM
By your reactions in this thread, you are more in a position to learn from him.

So here we have yet another advocate for endless misery caused by religion. What other folks want to step up? Who else wants to be at the mercy of religious stupidity forever?

And who else wants to purposely not understand my posts so they can argue even more? YEAH!

Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 07, 2014, 01:19:29 PM
Yeah, everybody is against you. We are pming each other right now to determine who is turn not to understand your posts and argue with you more and more. 

Just to make it clear, that^ is a sarcastic joke. Not real.

So it has come to the point where someone expressing a view and then defending that position is not allowed? Everyone should have a right to do that. If people are offended in the process then it really isn't my problem.

I agree that it is partially the mothers fault for refusing to get her son medical attention when the tumor was much more benign, she is clearly one of the people who is in EXTREME Ignorance with her religion, but not all Jehovah's witnesses are that stupid.  I used to go to school with this kid whose family were all Jehovah Witnesses, and he had some sort of medical issue that required a transfusion to fix.  His family put it off for a while, but once they realized the seriousness of the situation they put their bull shit aside and got him the transfusion.

Jagare, it is not just you!

If a parent stops feeding their child that's neglect.  If they keep their child tied up in the basement that's abuse.  These things are against the law and the parent would be held responsible.  If they deliberately refuse to seek medical attentiion for a sick or injured child that's fine because it's their deeply held religious superstition.  Did I say superstition?  Oops.  I meant to say belief.

People like the JW mother in the OP are proof that religions hold their beliefs and tenets above human life and dignity. Fuck 'em.

Quote from: frosty on July 03, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
When I first glanced at your post, it seemed more overly emotional than what I accustomed to reading on here or any other site for that matter.

Than you made a very immature initial assessment.  Only a childish person responds in a pre-determined way when they don't have all the information. 

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Your reply to what I said was a bit better, but still a bit too emotional for my tastes.

Your tastes are not my concern.  Especially since you didn't even bother to answer my questions regarding the validity of one's emotions.  I'll ask them again:  Should I not feel hostility towards christianity when a priest molests a child?  Is my anger not warranted?  Am I somehow not allowed to express my disdain for their criminal religion because some blowhard doesn't feel it is necessary?

QuoteI'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything like that,

Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.  You're using ridicule in an attempt to shame someone into silence who doesn't agree with your absurd idea.

QuoteI'm simply trying to convey the message that it's pointless to slam your keyboard in childish rage at something you have no control over.

Who's slamming keyboards here?  You're now using an outright fabrication to create false justification for your absurd remark.

QuoteThe emotions of other people do not offend me because I am past that stage. It really doesn't mean much to me.

Now you've somehow evolved into a Vulcan?  You don't "DO" emotions?  What are you even talking about with "stages"????

QuoteAtrocities caused by religion can be tamed by doing what I said in my first post, until then I can't see the point of wasting your life and energy getting offended by this type of stuff.

Wow, even better.  Now you, perched there on your mighty 'emotion police' horse, are telling me that I shouldn't even allow myself to become offended by things.  So, should I now just accept the stupidity of others as fact and move on?  Should I have just ignored all your highly ignorant remarks and just let them go?  I'm not allowed to express even the slightest disdain for anything???

Well pardon the holy fuck outta me and the rest of the human race.

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You must be new to these types of things.

And you sir must be new to using rational thought.  Your ideas are ludicrous and you come off as a pseudo-intellectual trying desperately hard to pass your condescending ignorance off as valid ideas.  Let me put this into words that you will find both easier to understand and emotionally offensive:  I think you're a fucking idiot.

Quote from: Jagare on July 11, 2014, 01:56:27 AM
Than you made a very immature initial assessment.  Only a childish person responds in a pre-determined way when they don't have all the information.

No I didn't. I made an accurate assessment based on what I saw you say, now you're whining like a little bitch about it. This long, pathetic reply of yours only proves my original point, that you're a whiny, pathetic little bitch. You are quite stupid for proving me right.

QuoteYour tastes are not my concern.  Especially since you didn't even bother to answer my questions regarding the validity of one's emotions.  I'll ask them again:  Should I not feel hostility towards christianity when a priest molests a child?  Is my anger not warranted?  Am I somehow not allowed to express my disdain for their criminal religion because some blowhard doesn't feel it is necessary?

And your tastes are not mine. So? I already told you, retard, that you are allowed to vent to a certain degree, then you just become an absolutely pathetic little whiny cretin like you have become. And at the end of the day, as much as you'd like to believe differently, your subjective opinion on the outrages of religion does nothing to solve anything.

QuoteYes, that's exactly what you're doing.  Your using ridicule in an attempt to shame someone who doesn't agree with you into silence.

Ahh.... planting false accusations when you got nothing. That's a good one. I'm not doing anything you claim, you are just incapable of grasping my superior logic. You were emotional when you first made the thread, advocating the murder of somebody, and you are emotional here in your responses, and that's because you're a whiny, dumb little prick. I did ridicule the other user when he inaccurately challenged what I had to say. I have a point to make, I made it, and I've seen absolutely no valid counter argument to it. Just people screaming like emo teens at a world that doesn't care about what they think.

QuoteWho's slamming keyboards here?  You're now using an outright fabrication to create false justification for your absurd remark.

Do you have any idea what a suggestive metaphor is? Apparently not. It's not an outright fabrication, it's textual evidence. Every single one of your posts here show that to be correct. Nice try, but you're wrong.

QuoteNow you've somehow evolved into a Vulcan?  You don't "DO" emotions?  What are you even talking about with "stages"????

No, I've just grown up, something you refuse to do because you aspire to be an emotional Internet twat your entire life. What I mean by stages is that I once flamed outrage at such events but realized that it didn't change anything. You refuse to acknowledge that because not only do you believe you are more relevant than you actually are, but you have the emotive mental state of a 5 year old.

QuoteWow, even better.  Now you, perched there on your mighty 'emotion police' horse, are telling me that I shouldn't even allow myself to become offended by things.  So, should I now just accept the stupidity of others as fact and move on?  Should I have just ignored all your highly ignorant remarks and just let them go?  I'm not allowed to express even the slightest disdain for anything???

Well pardon the holy fuck outta me and the rest of the human race.

Once again, you illiterate, whiny little moron, I never said that. Do you have any basic reading comprehension? Your argument is in trouble; you constantly loop back emotional diatribes in order to get me to repeat myself again and again. You can express disdain for things, I was just trying to warn you of it's pointlessness. The very fact that this thread has gone far enough, with all these offended replies, is proof that I struck a nerve indeed. I'm not on an mighty 'emotion police' horse, although that's what I would expect from someone like you with a stunted capacity.

QuoteSo, should I now just accept the stupidity of others as fact and move on?

You can vent moderately, then accept it and move on. Remember what I said about how "insanity awaits"? Pardon me, you stupid arrogant retard, for trying to spare you from ruining your life getting upset over millions of things you have absolutely no control over. Yes, the real answer is that you DO need to accept the stupidity of others as fact because people self-convince themselves all the time of what they think and believe and you cannot change that. I actually don't care if you end up some frustrated nobody who holds a pathetic grudge against the world, because I, and the world, will keep rolling.

QuoteAnd you sir must be new to using rational thought.  Your ideas are ludicrous and you come off as a pseudo-intellectual trying desperately hard to pass your condescending ignorance off as valid ideas.  Let me put this into words that you will find both easier to understand and emotionally offensive:  I think you're a fucking idiot.

That is quite ironic and hilarious coming from someone like yourself. My ideas are not anything you claim them to be, they just inconvenience you and make you feel all angry and upset inside. That's why you lash out like this, because it's all you have left; condescending remarks and attacks against my person. You come off as a whiny, selfish, spoiled, emotional little bitch, but does anybody care? No, since you refuse to accept any advice you have turned into a funny, tragic sideshow.

Let me put this into words that you will find both easier to understand, and emotionally offensive (again): You are screaming at a world that is indifferent to you, doesn't care about anything you think, and that's that. You then, in turn, take out your frustrated butthurt rage at one of the only people on this planet who will truly try to help you understand how things are and adapt to them. Throughout all your infantile aggression, this will all result in nothing. So keep screaming little boy, it's hilarious.

*Mod hat on*
Frosty, give it a rest. Your personal attacks and condescending attitude towards Jagare and other members, here and in other threads, are getting tiring. Stop it. NOW. And no replies to this warning.

Quote from: frosty on July 02, 2014, 10:46:12 PM
Your unabated rage is not helping the situation. Countries need to put laws and stipulations in place stopping this problem. This very problem - religious people denying loved ones medical care based on religious pretexts/justifications - is actually huge. This will only stop, or greatly minimize, when like I said countries put laws in place punishing those who withhold medical care from loved ones for religious reasons.

Until then, these articles will keep pouring in.

Rage (or more properly, outrage) is often what drives changes to the law. Complacency rarely does.

Quote from: frosty on July 04, 2014, 12:00:27 AM
Part of it yes, but not the whole reason. Acting like a 13 year old in response to things you can't control... well, I don't see the reasoning behind that. He reminds me a lot of myself when I was younger and I was overly emotional and got offended at every single injustice on the planet. There comes a time where you are no longer capable of expending your energy for such things, and if you don't successfully achieve that part of maturity, then insanity awaits.

So what you needed when you were fourteen was condescension, I must assume, since that's what you're offering.

Heh, I get it. Someone is not allowed to more accurately defend a position than the rest of you people. When your argument fails, when your group dynamic fails, and when you get back all the insults you give, your only resort is to block me from participating in things. I'll take that as an obvious white flag coming from you that I win.

Have a good one, and next time you wonder why forum members are leaving, and participation on this website is down, remember me and everyone else like me.

Quote from: frosty on July 11, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
Heh, I get it. Someone is not allowed to more accurately defend a position than the rest of you people. When your argument fails, when your group dynamic fails, and when you get back all the insults you give, your only resort is to block me from participating in things. I'll take that as an obvious white flag coming from you that I win.

Have a good one, and next time you wonder why forum members are leaving, and participation on this website is down, remember me and everyone else like me.

We have gotten rather cliquish over the past year, haven't we...

Quote from: frosty on July 11, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
Heh, I get it. Someone is not allowed to more accurately defend a position than the rest of you people. When your argument fails, when your group dynamic fails, and when you get back all the insults you give, your only resort is to block me from participating in things. I'll take that as an obvious white flag coming from you that I win.

Have a good one, and next time you wonder why forum members are leaving, and participation on this website is down, remember me and everyone else like me.

I told you no replies. One week vacation.
In one week you'll be welcome to come back here with a different attitude.

It's not just Christianity. Motherfucking Scientology.

To clarify my position:
Christianity does make me angry.  However, I cannot vent in public because its socially unacceptable and I don't want to come across as an angry belligerent atheist.  I think that really hurts the cause of all non-believers, atheist or not.  That is why it's nice to have a place to vent like these forums. 
Little did I know that I was going to be insulted for views that I thought would be tolerated, if not well-received on a website called atheistforums.com.

A little bit of a surprise, but hey, I'll get over it.  Uh - look at that, I'm already over it.  <tips hat to moderator>

 Jagare, this jack ass has been here before under different names, he is a troll using different IP addresses, he gets a kick out of upsetting people and disrupting the forum. When he first started here he wanted everyone to feel sorry for him because he is mentally ill. He uses proxy servers to get into this site. He's probably a religious nut that wants to shut down the site by making members leave, or other think atheists are being jerks for banning him. Don't take him serious. We are glad you are aboard, and hope he didn't think atheists are like him and leave. Solitary