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QuoteSupreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is no stranger to controversial rulings, and he's just issued an opinion that might be his most divisive yet: Chicago deep-dish shouldn't be called pizza.

"It's very tasty, but it's not pizza," he said Friday night in the Windy City, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

Don't worry, Chicago. Scalia's opinion, delivered at the Union League Club of Chicago's 126th annual George Washington's Birthday celebration, is non-binding and doesn't carry the full weight of the court (or even the weight of a deep dish from Uno or Lou Malnati's).

But it's clear Scalia is an originalist in more ways than one. Back in 2011, he explained why he believes a Chicago deep dish should be called "a tomato pie" and not pizza.

"Real pizza is Neapolitan [from Naples, Italy] It is thin," he was quoted as saying. "It is chewy and crispy, OK?"

Scalia has also called New York pizza "infinitely better" than Chicago's, but we should note he may be suffering from a bit of judicial bias. He was born in New Jersey and moved to New York at the age of 6, where he remained through high school.

But even without Scalia's opinion, deep-dish pizza has been hitting hard times. In December, a survey by the online ordering website GrubHub found that only 9 percent of all orders in Chicago are for deep-dish pizza.

And last year, 'Daily Show' host Jon Stewart railed against deep dish.

"Let me explain something, deep-dish pizza is not only not better than New York pizza. It's not pizza," Stewart explained in perhaps the only example of him agreeing with Scalia on anything. "It's a f***ing casserole!"

When Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel sent the 'Daily Show' crew some deep dish, Stewart released a video showing that even a dog wouldn't eat it.

I, Stromboli, have made many pizzas. I am sad to say I agree with Scalia. I am also sad to report that this is the single biggest-and most divisive- argument among Pastafarians. Let the forum decide.  :-k

Judging by the images I found, it doesn't look like pizza to me. How do you even bake something that thick? It looks more like some sort of hearty-oven-cake (I have no idea what the proper English word for that would be). But those have to bake for close to an hour, not 15 minutes like a pizza, and they taste completely different (for many obvious reasons)

I prefer a more authentic style Italian pizza, with thin crust but thick handle crust (best word I could think of) With delicious sauce and some pepperoni. However I don't consider myself a pizza connoisseur so I can't quite categorize the pizzas themselves


Either way, pizza is terrible for you, BUT IT IS SO DELICIOUS

I believe that technically it is really, as Scalia said, tomato pie. I have made a lot of pizza. It is far easier to make a thin crust than a deep dish.

As a side note; I really want some pizza now

Quote from: "GrinningYMIR"As a side note; I really want some pizza now

Then the FSM is with you, my brother.  :-D

Deep Dish and Chicago Style are NOT the same thing.  The way the poll is set up, Chicago can't get any votes.

Which is as it should be.

Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"Deep Dish and Chicago Style are NOT the same thing.  The way the poll is set up, Chicago can't get any votes.

Which is as it should be.

Yeah, I admit- it is biased.

Being a true FSM believer, I was looking more at the religious aspects of this.

Gotta agree with Scalia on this one. Chicago style "pizza" is not pizza, and calling it pizza is blasphemy of the highest order.

Thin base.  Possibly a stuffed crust if I'm feeling decadent.

pizza...meh.

Damn!  I hate to agree with Scalia on anything, but I agree that deep dish pizza misses the point of pizza.  But as someone already pointed out, identifying deep dish as Chicago pizza is a bit misleading.  I grew up in Chicago.  There was only one place I knew of back then that served something like today's deep dish.  It had a few devoted fans, but nowhere near enough to warrant describing deep dish as Chicago's pizza.  I never even heard the term "deep dish" until I was living in the Pacific Northwest and Pizza Hut started making a big deal about it.  Hell, Pizza Hut isn't even Italian.

And that to my mind is the most important factor in good pizza.  Drive past the pizza chains, and find a pizza joint run by an Italian family, a family who hasn't been in the US long enough to think Pizza Hut defines pizza.  I've never had New York Pizza, but I'd love to try it.  Put me in a place surrounded by heavy Italian accents and a lot of commotion in the kitchen, and I'll at least be willing to hope for a good pizza.

Unfortunately, any schmuck can open a pizza place, and name it Tony's Pizza, and people will go there, but that doesn't mean it's good pizza.

I think another defining characteristic of good pizza is the smell.  When it arrives at your table, if the aroma doesn't set you back on your heels, it might be just some ingredients that are smashed down on a platter that the proprietor expects you eat.  

Also, after you take a bite, there should be a long tendril of cheese stretching back to the slice.  It's hard to find that in most pizza anymore, but I remember that about the Chicago pizza I grew up with.  I'll guess that kind of cheese is probably too expensive of an ingredient for most profit orientated chains.

There are way more then two types of pizza, including that "stuff from Shakeys that has stuff on it that never belonged on a pizza in the first place and this fake, kinda plastic like cheese"*

On a side note; how many New Yorkers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None o yer fuckin' bizness, pal.

*Frank Zappa (Not sure of exact wording)

Chicago "pizza"?  :-s  :-&
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That abomination ^ is NOT a pizza!

We seem to have a consensus here.....

Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Chicago "pizza"?  :-s  :-&
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That abomination ^ is NOT a pizza!

It looks like someone vomited in a plate of flat bread

Quote from: "stromboli"We seem to have a consensus here.....

There are 2 infidels that must be sought out and punished...and by punished I mean shot and set on fire. The ashes must be spread over raw sewage and medical waste, then used to top a Chicago style...whatever it is.

Quote from: "aitm"pizza...meh.

Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"

Quote from: "stromboli"We seem to have a consensus here.....

There are 2 infidels that must be sought out and punished...and by punished I mean shot and set on fire. The ashes must be spread over raw sewage and medical waste.

 :-s




 :-k




 :shock:

Have something to admit AITM?

Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"

Quote from: "stromboli"We seem to have a consensus here.....

There are 2 infidels that must be sought out and punished...and by punished I mean shot and set on fire. The ashes must be spread over raw sewage and medical waste, then used to top a Chicago style...whatever it is.

I think the punishment is pretty clear of what it should be. They should be force-fed Chicago style pizza.

May god have mercy on your souls... and toilets.

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Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"

Quote from: "stromboli"We seem to have a consensus here.....

There are 2 infidels that must be sought out and punished...and by punished I mean shot and set on fire. The ashes must be spread over raw sewage and medical waste, then used to top a Chicago style...whatever it is.

I think the punishment is pretty clear of what it should be. They should be force-fed Chicago style pizza.

May god have mercy on your souls... and toilets.

The sick fucks would enjoy that. They must be shown to the public so that they may be ridiculed. After that I have some happy fun camps for them.

Just make the unbelievers eat my schools french bread pizza.

Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Just make the unbelievers eat my schools french bread pizza.

The FSM is not amused.

Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Just make the unbelievers eat my schools french bread pizza.

And Domino's....


*shivers*

Quote from: "PickelledEggs"

Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Just make the unbelievers eat my schools french bread pizza.

And Domino's....


*shivers*

That is only for the highest of the highest of blasphemers.

Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"

Quote from: "PickelledEggs"

Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Just make the unbelievers eat my schools french bread pizza.

And Domino's....


*shivers*

That is only for the highest of the highest of blasphemers.

I was at a friend's party when he told me he ordered pizza. When it got to the house, it was Domino's. Long story short, we're no longer friends.

I was in town and heading home for supper.  I spotted a Domino's and thought a pizza would be nice.  I went in and ordered.  When the guy said it will be ready in a couple of minutes, I thought, "This is not going to be good."  They must microwave some frozen prepared thing.  It tasted like the kind of thing you get in frozen food section at Walmart.  I expect more from a pizza place.

Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"and by punished I mean shot and set on fire

Shoot them with incendiary rounds and kill two birds with one stone.

I now declare the battle of the best pizza topping under way.

Even though it's a forgone conclusion that the best pizza topping is pepperoni and pineapple.

I liked the Greek pizza from Red Brick... ham, red onions, kalamata olives, pepperoncinis, mozzarella, feta, EVO garlic sauce on a traditional brick oven cooked pizza. Mmmhmm.

MEAT AND CHEESE.
That is all.

I've never been to one of those weekly pizza buffets that offered decent pizza, even if the restaurant's regular pizza is pretty good.  Every one I've been to is like the restaurant goes out of it's way to make low end pizza on that night so you won't eat too much.  I'd just as soon order the regular pizza off the menu and choose what I want.

It has been decided!

Deep Dish pizza is not pizza!

Years ago, I always ordered sausage and mushroom.  Now I get the Pizza Supreme.  I don't know why.   :-D

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Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"and by punished I mean shot and set on fire

Shoot them with incendiary rounds and kill two birds with one stone.

I now declare the battle of the best pizza topping under way.

Even though it's a forgone conclusion that the best pizza topping is pepperoni and pineapple.

You ought to be hung, drawn and quartered and your entrails fed to vultures.

Pineapple? PINEAPPLE?  :axe  :axe  :axe

To be honest, I have searched the Chronicles and have found nowhere that His Holiness the FSM officially bans pineapple. Therefore I cannot declare it as banned.  :cry:

I thought you had run away to a tropical island, Stromboli?

Never mind. I just read the rest of the other thread and now understand I was talking to an impostor.

Hey!

I can fly!

Well glide anyway.

I think the biggest problem is like some other people said, deep dish pizza isn't even pizza. If you need to use a spoon to eat a pizza, it's not a pizza.

I've had a LOT of good pizza, with all different toppings. Regular cheese, white pizza, buffalo chicken pizza, pineapple and ham pizza, artichoke pizza, sicilian bruchetta pizza... etc.

What do they have in common (other than being pure delight to the tastebuds)?

They don't involve eating it with a spoon. A chicago deep dish pizza is basically an italian style pot pie with no top crust. It's not a pizza. And I will fight anyone that says otherwise.  :evil:

 :lol:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/0 ... isnt-pizza (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/02/18/279225231/justice-scalia-and-john-stewart-concur-chicago-pizza-isnt-pizza)

A Supreme Court justice and Jon Stewart. That covers it.

So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

Quote from: "Shol'va"So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

I am sorry Shol'va but by majority vote, you have been eliminated.....have a nice day.

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Quote from: "Shol'va"So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

I am sorry Shol'va but by majority vote, you have been eliminated.....have a nice day.

Shall we discuss punishment for this blasphemous statement?

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Quote from: "aitm"

Quote from: "Shol'va"So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

I am sorry Shol'va but by majority vote, you have been eliminated.....have a nice day.

Shall we discuss punishment for this blasphemous statement?

ever watch the movie, "Hildago" where they have these mean metal teethy clamps using for ripping testicles off?

OKAY OKAY sheeeshhh  I know I know


not enough.

Quote from: "Shol'va"So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

Do I need to fight you?
[youtube:271nfhun]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4trn2lJxl00[/youtube:271nfhun]
 :lol:

Oh screw all of you. I've worked in probably 20 pizza shops in my life and though I enjoy a good pizza once in awhile I don't get all excited enough to shit my pants over it and could care less what other people like or dislike. If you're willing to commit murder over pizza you have a hell of a lot more problems than mere styles of pizza.  :roll:

Here's the other thing. I love a good anchovy pizza.
It has been suggested that deep dish shouldn't be considered pizza ... I am okay with this. I don't care what it would be called, I would still enjoy eating it and conversely still dislike thin crust.
A big part, if not the whole reason for my preference may be my cultural background: we eat bread with everything and every meal. We eat bread with bread. So to me it is only natural that I enjoy a good hearty base to delicious toppings.
Keep your concoction of toppings atop a soggy cracker, I'll enjoy my normal crust (half inch or more) thank you very much :)

You must have missed the J Giles song, No Anchovies Please..

Anchovies??

WTF.  You're fired!!

THAT BOWLING BALL! :shock: IT'S MY WIFE!  :-D

I'd bet money only a handful get the reference. :rollin:

Some years ago my son drove from Denver to New York.  Somewhere in Iowa he stopped for dinner and ordered chicken parmigiana.  In Iowa.  It was a chicken breast with a piece of cheese on top and something resembling sauce ( or ketchup) poured on top.

I told him never to order Italian food anywhere west of Jersey City again.

Iowa...

They don't even have good potatoes.

Quote from: "wolf39us"Anchovies??

WTF.  You're fired!!

Anchovies are delicious, you heathen! BURN IN HELL!

Quote from: "DunkleSeele"

Quote from: "wolf39us"Anchovies??

WTF.  You're fired!!

Anchovies are delicious, you heathen! BURN IN HELL!

Anchovies seem like some chef was trying to be creative and fucked up.

I've actually never had anchovy pizza. I would try it. As of now, I'm neither for or against it.... leaning towards against it because I don't like the idea of my pizza staring at me as I shove it down my throat hole.

Anchovy is good stuff. Very salty. And too small to really have it looking back at you.

(What is it with people and having a problem with eating food that looks back at you?  :roll: )

Quote from: "Plu"Anchovy is good stuff. Very salty. And too small to really have it looking back at you.

(What is it with people and having a problem with eating food that looks back at you?  :roll: )

I actually don't have a problem with my dead food having faces. It was more of a joke that got lost because I typed it.


Anchovy pizza is legit pizza. I just never tried it yet. Plus no one I know likes/tried it, so I don't know of a good place to try it. PLUS no places nearby, unless I go to the city a half an hour/ 1 hr away, has anchovy pizza. Not that many places in New Jersey makes pizza with anchovies.

Anchovies 4tw.

I had an anchovy pizza once.  Just once.  I also tried them straight... once.  But personal tastes vary.  I like pickled herring.  I love the stuff.  However, I wouldn't put it on a pizza.  Lot's of people think pineapple is good on pizza, but I don't understand why, and yes, I've tried it.

Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh screw all of you. I've worked in probably 20 pizza shops in my life and though I enjoy a good pizza once in awhile I don't get all excited enough to shit my pants over it and could care less what other people like or dislike. If you're willing to commit murder over pizza you have a hell of a lot more problems than mere styles of pizza.  :roll:

out of meds i see..

Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Oh screw all of you. I've worked in probably 20 pizza shops in my life and though I enjoy a good pizza once in awhile I don't get all excited enough to shit my pants over it and could care less what other people like or dislike. If you're willing to commit murder over pizza you have a hell of a lot more problems than mere styles of pizza.  :roll:

Uh, OK. Meatloaf, anybody?

Quote from: "Shol'va"So I guess I am one of the 3 people that voted deep dish. I became a believer after I had some in Chicago.
It's not so much that I want DEEP dish, I just can't stand a thin crust. I want the crust to be part of the overall experience, so in the absence of the middle road I'd rather have deep dish. I usually go for medium crust.

You're sick. Stay away from my family and children.

And New York.

Well, I'm glad that we here have been able to overcome the hurdles of religious tribalism mentality of us vs them so that we can focus on the real issue, like what our pizza toppings are on.

Quote from: "Shol'va"Well, I'm glad that we here have been able to overcome the hurdles of religious tribalism mentality of us vs them so that we can focus on the real issue, like what our pizza toppings are on.

The FSM would agree. I believe in sticking to the basics; Sausage, Pepperoni, cheeses, tomato sauce and a selection of onions, olives, green pepper and whatnot. Lots of sauce. Sauce makes the pizza.

Yeah, but too much sauce can compromise the flavor of the other toppings. You have to strike a happy medium between the sauce and the other toppings.

As per toppings for me I like olives, spinach, pepperoni, olives, fresh mozzarella or parmesan cheese, olives, tomato slices, olives, green bell peppers, olives, olives, and olives.

...did I mention that I like olives?

Sauce? There was this place I used to go to that had a pizza special on Fridays, instead of sauce it was made with cream cheese. Mind blowingly awesome.
The one pizza I usually dislike is the Hawaiian.
Motherfucker, what is pineapple doing mingling with tomato sauce and meat and cheese?

Quote from: "stromboli"Uh, OK. Meatloaf, anybody?

[youtube:3jxzpset]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4MFxcFofkY[/youtube:3jxzpset]

Screw everyone. Limburger cheese on rye with a big slice of onion trumps humdrum pizza. Yes, limburger. The kind that smells like rotting feet and yes, it stinks, but tastes great.  :-k

Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Screw everyone. Limburger cheese on rye with a big slice of onion trumps humdrum pizza. Yes, limburger. The kind that smells like rotting feet and yes, it stinks, but tastes great.  :-k

BLASPHEMY!!!!!

This had me rolling. I love Jon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8IKxbOpt0E

haha, I saw that video a few weeks back.  LOVE this one.

And then I saw this one. You gotta watch it until the end, that's where the best part and the point is :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhORiVsb9Mc

Quote from: Shol'va on March 19, 2014, 09:36:26 PM
And then I saw this one. You gotta watch it until the end, that's where the best part and the point is :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhORiVsb9Mc

Seen that too... in the world of YouTube that recommended I watch that video next.  LOL I love the part where he hands him a spoon.

When you eat a deep dish pizza you are effectively eating a loaf of bread in each piece.  Have fun with that.

Quote from: wolf39us on March 19, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
Seen that too... in the world of YouTube that recommended I watch that video next.  LOL I love the part where he hands him a spoon.

I laughed so hard when he hands him a spoon

What am I a fucking animal?