"Girls Can't Play Electric Guitars!" "Are You Serious Dumb Ass?" Joan Jett

Started by Solitary, December 26, 2014, 06:48:17 PM

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Solitary

http://youtu.be/_tXuYLc6rIg  http://youtu.be/rV6SmY04WdE http://youtu.be/1B4pZBmI_gU  But! But! Girls can't play 3with feeling.  http://youtu.be/9e9AyDXx19Q




:surprised: :eek: :redface: :kidra: Practice, practice, and more practice, over and over, and over and over, until your fingers hurt, then all over again! No body said it would be easy.  Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

PickelledEggs

I've seen many amazing female guitar players, and while I've heard people say "girls can't rock as hard as guys in music" knowing about The Runaways, early Heart and even some fairly recent female musicians, I know that it's simply not true.

The ability to be "metal as fuck" is not gender specific

Solitary

That girl 14, in the last picture only 15 I believe, and she is already playing with feeling. She is technically brilliant, better than most professional guitarists.  :super: 
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Johan

She looks bored. Which is a shame because if she's that bored now, she's going to want to kill herself when she has to play Sweet Caroline night after night for the drunks.
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Atheon

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PickelledEggs

Quote from: Solitary on December 26, 2014, 09:48:49 PM
That girl 14, in the last picture only 15 I believe, and she is already playing with feeling. She is technically brilliant, better than most professional guitarists.  :super: 
Not only that, she is playing stuff that is so technically intense that many people can barely air-guitar it.

Yngwie, Van Halen, and Steve Vai are no joke.

kilodelta

Guitars are awesome. But, I will never play the guitar because of my stupid fingers.

Faith: pretending to know things you don't know

Johan

Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 27, 2014, 12:36:18 AM
Yngwie, Van Halen, and Steve Vai are no joke.
From a purely technical perspective yes, from a musical taste perspective though things are a little more subjective, but that's a discussion for another thread. :wink:

But seriously, I can't put my finger on this girl. There is something not really right going on in these clips. I means she's obviously got fingers that's for sure, she's like a machine on that guitar. And that's what I can't sort out. She is like a machine. Even the clip where she's doing slower more 'feeling' type stuff seems very robotic to me.

Believe me I'm not putting this girl down. I think she has an amazing amount of aptitude. I tend to avoid using the word talent as a rule because everyone seems to define what talent is and isn't differently. This girl has tons of skill and aptitude which is very impressive. But she doesn't really look like she enjoys what she's doing at all in any of these clips. Its like these songs are just homework for her or something. Like she no more gives a rats ass about Eddie Van Halen and the music he created than a student writing a history report gives a rats ass about Thomas Edison.

FWIW, I'd be interested to see what she plays when the camera is off and no one is watching. I'd like to see what she plays when she wants to play for her own enjoyment and nothing more. That's the clip I want to see. I'd also like to see her play her own music instead of someone elses. Covers of other people's stuff is fun and all, but Eddie VH and Steve Vai didn't get where they are by playing covers.
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Shiranu

I agree with Johan, her style of play was a big turn off for me. I have listened to much less skillful players who have made the songs much more interesting thanks to their personality, and I would really rather listen to them play than someone that feels like a computer.
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PickelledEggs

I agree, Johan. It did seem a bit robotic and the subtle nuances that make a song sound more.... "natural" are lacking a bit.... but I have a feeling she will get there in due time. Either way, her technical ability is lightyears ahead of where even most adults are. It's just a matter of taking the tools she has and developing a more organic style of her own... which like I was hinting in the previous sentence, it will come eventually.

As for doing covers... I don't know much about the music business, but I always figured doing covers and something someone can already relate to helped, but maybe I was wrong about that? I do know that Yngwie, Vai, Eric Johnson, and Joe Satriani do G3 together and do covers of some of their heroes.... Either way. I just like to hear rocking music, no matter where it comes from. If it's good, it's good.

Solitary

 :wtff: This girl is only 14. And do you honestly think Yngwie, Van Halen, and Steve Vai , never learn to play the guitar by using other people's music? Does Yigwie play with feeling, or like a computer, when he plays faster than hell? I bet you think Yngwie, Van Halen, and Steve Vai, never took Classical music lessons too. Since when is music judged on personality. Also, Yngwie, Van Halen, and Steve Vai, have all played cover tunes. One has to learn like a computer before than can play with feeling. Ever hear of scales, chords, fret boards, finger position, that are all learned mechanically? When any of you can play and be bored like this little girl, show us a video of your playing.  :kidra: 
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Solitary

Quote from: Johan on December 27, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
From a purely technical perspective yes, from a musical taste perspective though things are a little more subjective, but that's a discussion for another thread. :wink:

But seriously, I can't put my finger on this girl. There is something not really right going on in these clips. I means she's obviously got fingers that's for sure, she's like a machine on that guitar. And that's what I can't sort out. She is like a machine. Even the clip where she's doing slower more 'feeling' type stuff seems very robotic to me.

Believe me I'm not putting this girl down. I think she has an amazing amount of aptitude. I tend to avoid using the word talent as a rule because everyone seems to define what talent is and isn't differently. This girl has tons of skill and aptitude which is very impressive. But she doesn't really look like she enjoys what she's doing at all in any of these clips. Its like these songs are just homework for her or something. Like she no more gives a rats ass about Eddie Van Halen and the music he created than a student writing a history report gives a rats ass about Thomas Edison.

FWIW, I'd be interested to see what she plays when the camera is off and no one is watching. I'd like to see what she plays when she wants to play for her own enjoyment and nothing more. That's the clip I want to see. I'd also like to see her play her own music instead of someone elses. Covers of other people's stuff is fun and all, but Eddie VH and Steve Vai didn't get where they are by playing covers.
Why do you think this girl got this good by playing covers? She got good enough by practicing everyday so she could play the covers.
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Solitary

There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Johan

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Atheon

I think the bored or unengaged look she has makes it look like these challenging pieces are just child's play for her.
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