Quote from: Shiranu on September 18, 2023, 04:34:04 PMI'm now curious how a shotgun (or some similar portable anti-drone gun using "simple" tech) could possibly be used.

There are net-guns said to be effective against drones, though I suppose that depends on how good a shot you are and how small the drone is and how fast the drone is.

Most drone footage shows them as little dots in the sky - basically impossible to hit with a normal rifle - or up close and personal with very little opportunity to react.  It'd be even trickier while you're in a moving vehicle.

So I doubt small arms would be very useful.

That Rheinmetall anti-drone AA gun fires ludicrously fast and basically fires flak, so it downs drones by filling a part of the sky with fast-moving flechettes in the blink of an eye.  No one, not even a squad, can do that with small arms.

Quote from: Hydra009 on September 18, 2023, 05:31:16 PMThere are net-guns said to be effective against drones, though I suppose that depends on how good a shot you are and how small the drone is and how fast the drone is.

Most drone footage shows them as little dots in the sky - basically impossible to hit with a normal rifle - or up close and personal with very little opportunity to react.  It'd be even trickier while you're in a moving vehicle.

So I doubt small arms would be very useful.

That Rheinmetall anti-drone AA gun fires ludicrously fast and basically fires flak, so it downs drones by filling a part of the sky with fast-moving flechettes in the blink of an eye.  No one, not even a squad, can do that with small arms.

That thing is wicked.  I recall hearing somewhere that airports use net guns to trap errant drones.

I've seen where a defense company has a hand-launched drone that "lands" into a net. Having flown Radio-Controlled planes in my past, it can be much better than some of the crashes I made.

Quote from: Hydra009 on September 18, 2023, 05:31:16 PMThere are net-guns said to be effective against drones, though I suppose that depends on how good a shot you are and how small the drone is and how fast the drone is.

Most drone footage shows them as little dots in the sky - basically impossible to hit with a normal rifle - or up close and personal with very little opportunity to react.  It'd be even trickier while you're in a moving vehicle.

So I doubt small arms would be very useful.

That Rheinmetall anti-drone AA gun fires ludicrously fast and basically fires flak, so it downs drones by filling a part of the sky with fast-moving flechettes in the blink of an eye.  No one, not even a squad, can do that with small arms.

Maybe some form of miniature two-man (if possible, one man) FLAK cannon? Rather than larger pellets like the gauges measure, a reinforced assembly that can withstand a higher load of gunpowder and perhaps a slightly longer barrel.

Or some sort of delayed release of the pellets, though I'm guessing that exists and/or is too expensive.

Something tells me people a lot smarter than me have already considered this :P... but then again, the Europeans didn't understand the value of shotguns until WW1 when a bunch of redneck hicks from that foreign backwater of America brought them to a trench fight...

Photos of Russian sub reveal grave damage



Destroyed.  There is a 0% chance that thing will ever see action again.  If it tries, it'll either visit the Moskva or the Titanic.

It blows my mind that a country with no navy to speak of (except for some cutters patrolling the Dnieper river, but that's not really a navy) managed to down a friggin' sub.  That's gotta be a first.  It's also the first time in the world that a sub has ever been downed by cruise missile.

First cargo ships dock in Ukraine to supply grain to the world

Ukraine's efforts to scare away the Russian ships are bearing fruit.  They commanded the sea last year and now cower in its furthest reaches this year.

Previously, five ships traveled down the humanitarian corridor from Ukraine.  Now, two more are traveling towards Ukraine.  Trade will resume.

Quote from: Shiranu on September 18, 2023, 10:44:49 PMMaybe some form of miniature two-man (if possible, one man) FLAK cannon? Rather than larger pellets like the gauges measure, a reinforced assembly that can withstand a higher load of gunpowder and perhaps a slightly longer barrel.

Or some sort of delayed release of the pellets, though I'm guessing that exists and/or is too expensive.

Something tells me people a lot smarter than me have already considered this :P... but then again, the Europeans didn't understand the value of shotguns until WW1 when a bunch of redneck hicks from that foreign backwater of America brought them to a trench fight...

So time to bring back the punt gun?

I want 12 ducks and I want them now. Anyone see my earplugs? It looks like a fake, scale wise but
something like this could work on a suicide drone on a pinch, but Igor it's your turn to carry it again, BLYAT. Only a Russian could figure out how to shoot themselves with this thing. I saw a report that some guys in a cafe blew themselves up with hand grenades while arguing a few days ago....after going back to Russia. All those pissed-off combat vets are gonna cause havoc for years and you can't blame them, really.

Silencing the artillery.  Also, infantry losses have been consistently in the 500s-600s for a few days now.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on September 19, 2023, 07:42:36 AMSo time to bring back the punt gun?

Good lord, that looks unbelievably impractical and unbelievably amazing. Gotta see if I can find any video of it firing now.

Perhaps something along that lines, though it would somehow have to be a bit more portable... cant see that being convenient in the trenches, though perhaps as part of a defense fortification it could have some solid use if hidden well enough.

War was so much easier when we kept it simple with swords and spears... so less bloody, as well...

Meet Tanya Adams:  Saboteurs explode Russian planes and a combat helicopter

QuoteThe saboteurs planted explosives and blew up aircraft and a combat helicopter at the Russian Chkalovsky Air Base in the Moscow region.

QuoteUnidentified persons planted explosives at the airfield and blew up An-148 and Il-20 aircraft (both belonging to the 354th Special Forces Aviation Regiment), as well as a Mi-28N helicopter, which had previously been actively involved in shooting down loitering munitions over the Moscow region.

Moscow region! Now that is some deep work!

And this happened long after Russia reportedly stepped up its airfield security after a previous incident:


There's no way this could possibly happen without some combination of extremely skilled saboteurs (inside job?) and/or gross incompetence on the part of Russian airbase security.

Antonov An-148

Il-20

Mi-28N helicopter

I saw this in the New York Times today and I thought it was kind of funny:

QuoteSpeaking before the Security Council, the Russian foreign minister suggested that the U.S. could "command" Kyiv to negotiate with Moscow.

Russia snorts too much of its own propaganda and has a difficult time distinguishing reality from the Kremlin's little world.  The US doesn't own Kyiv.  We simply have a lot of shared interests and shared adversaries.

Also, the fact that Russia is desperate for Kyiv to throw in the towel reveals their own weak bargaining position.  If I were them, I'd give generous terms now because they're in the process of losing almost all their bargaining chips, making future negotiations even more difficult.  Honestly, they should've cut a deal for a withdrawal and ceasefire months ago.

Another write-up of the airfield sabotage attack near Moscow

QuoteThe incident caused major hysteria in the top military command: government planes, the so-called 'judgement day planes' and special aircraft (reconnaissance aircraft) are stationed at this airbase."

I'd be apoplectic too if two B-52s and a Blackhawk went kablooie at Andrews Air Force Base and we didn't even know who did it.