This is... I just... must.. face palm...
Quotehttp://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/white-ohio-woman-sues-sperm-black-donor-25918281
An Ohio woman has sued a Chicago-area sperm bank after she became pregnant with sperm donated by a black man instead of a white man as she and her partner had intended.
The woman is seeking damages and wants to ensure the sperm bank doesn't make a similar mistake again.
Within days of their wedding in New York, Jennifer Cramblett and Amanda Zinkon had become pregnant with the donor sperm. In April 2012, five months into her pregnancy, Cramblett, 36, called Midwest Sperm Bank LLC outside Chicago to reserve sperm from the same donor in the hope that Zinkon, 29, would someday also have a child.
That's when Cramblett learned from a sperm bank employee that she had been inseminated with sperm from the wrong donor, according to a lawsuit filed Monday against Midwest Sperm Bank in Cook County, Illinois.
Cramblett said they had chosen sperm from a man known as No. 380, a white donor. The sperm used for insemination came from No. 330, a black donor, she said.
"How could they make a mistake that was so personal?" Cramblett said during a telephone interview on Wednesday.
According to the lawsuit, her excitement about the pending birth was replaced with "anger, disappointment and fear."
"They took a personal choice, a personal decision and took it on themselves to make that choice for us out of pure negligence," Cramblett said.
A woman who answered the telephone at Midwest Sperm Bank on Thursday would not comment and said an attorney would be providing a statement. She would not give her name or identify the attorney.
Cramblett said she and Zinkon love their 2-year-old daughter, Payton, very much and wouldn't change anything about her. But they are concerned about raising her in the predominantly white community where they live.
The lawsuit said they had moved from Akron to Uniontown for better schools and to be closer to Cramblett's family. She said that as a lesbian she has felt the sting of prejudice but doesn't know what it's like to be mistreated because of skin color.
Therapists have recommended that Cramblett, Zinkon and Payton move to a more racially diverse community with good schools, the lawsuit said.
Cramblett said she decided to sue to prevent the sperm bank from making the same mistake again. The lawsuit says the sperm bank has no electronic record-keeping and no quality controls that would have prevented it from sending the wrong sperm to fertility clinics.
The lawsuit seeks a minimum of $50,000 in damages. Cramblett's attorney, Tim Misny, said some of the compensation would pay for ongoing counseling.
I've been looking at other articles about this report, and while I do agree that a sperm bank should take responsibility for which sperm sample goes where.. its the reaction of the lesbian couple that staggers me. They are going all out to make a case that their own child is a mistake, so imagine when that child grows up and see what her two moms were doing when she was born.
Also, the funniest thing, is the reaction one of the mothers has, that because they, a lesbian couple, live in an all white area, they are afraid of their daughter being discriminated against for being black..
So it doesn't once click in his bingbats minds that maybe if someone is going to discriminate against a black girl in that area, maybe, JUST maybe, they might also point how the fact the girl has two mothers and no father?
I'm gay and obviously want equality for anyone to have children, but these two morons acting like having a black child when regardless of the kids skin color, she would also be faced with people making comments on lesbians having children, it didn't cross there minds?
Either they have issues with black people and its their reason for wanting to live in an all white community, or they are just that stupid.
The sperm bank probably had a first come, first serve policy.
In other news.. Right wing groups take up the cause to......protect....the.... rights.....of......?
Oh yeah...white couples to not have black kids..
Q. How do you cancel an appointment at the sperm bank?
A. Ring them up and say you can't come.
QuoteAlso, the funniest thing, is the reaction one of the mothers has, that because they, a lesbian couple, live in an all white area, they are afraid of their daughter being discriminated against for being black..
Yeah, if I was to marry a black woman (or even a Hispanic woman where I live, which is like... 80%+ white) I would be scared that my child would be discriminated against to.
I don't know how it is where you live, but racism is still a kinda big deal over here.
QuoteI'm gay and obviously want equality for anyone to have children, but these two morons acting like having a black child when regardless of the kids skin color, she would also be faced with people making comments on lesbians having children, it didn't cross there minds?
So... she needed MORE things to be harassed over, and they are "stupid" for being upset when they were not given the child they had chosen? Okay then...
I read this story, and laughed my arse off!
I just feel bad for the kid. This story is on the Internet, and hence immortal. She will run across it eventually.
And a harbinger of things to come.... designer babies, made to order.
But the baby wouldn't be black, it would be multi-racial. These women are being ridiculous and racist.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on October 04, 2014, 03:42:04 PM
But the baby wouldn't be black, it would be multi-racial. These women are being ridiculous and racist.
Multi-racial, at least here, is even worse... it means a white person married *GASP* a black person! Unacceptable, that.
A thought: Why is a racially mixed person with a black, considered black and not white, or whatever? I think we know why. I don't think it necessarily means they sued because they are bigots or prejudice. If I ordered a white car and they gave me a black one it would not be because I don't like a black one, it would just mean I wanted a white one. Why is the black card always brought up? My wife's nephew has three mixed race children after one died young from leukemia, he gets more grief from black people than white people, the sword of bigotry cuts both ways. Is there anyone that doesn't think Halli Berry is better looking than if she were black or white? :drool: Are we not all human? :wall: Solitary
they ordered vanilla and got chocolate..would that be reason enough to send a malt back? Or a ice cream cone? IF something that simple can be sent back would one think that having a child of a chosen "color" be something that one cannot complain about? I mean, we are talking about having a child that I imagine you paid some money for, in a certain for certain way that you want it, I would think that a certain amount of certainty would be expected.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 04, 2014, 03:47:14 PM
Multi-racial, at least here, is even worse... it means a white person married *GASP* a black person! Unacceptable, that.
Nothing at all about having a child means marriage..unless you were born in 1959 like me of course..
All I can think of really is to suggest they teach the kid all the words to the song Substitute by the Who..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 05, 2014, 05:21:37 AM
Nothing at all about having a child means marriage..unless you were born in 1959 like me of course..
All I can think of really is to suggest they teach the kid all the words to the song Substitute by the Who..
*sigh*
Fine, it means a white person *GASP* had sex with a black person.
My problem is simply: an otherwise-healthy baby is the center of a lawsuit because its skin color throws off someone's attempt at eugenics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18PbwYdjsps
Quote from: stromboli on October 04, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
And a harbinger of things to come.... designer babies, made to order.
I'm going to sue when the lesbian baby I ordered grows up and has a fondness for cock.
Quote from: the_antithesis on October 05, 2014, 04:35:58 PM
I'm going to sue when the lesbian baby I ordered grows up and has a fondness for cock.
funny as it sounds, I still think its freakish to have people mess around with how your babies genes will develop. Sure its a good thing to prevent genetic diseases that can lead to problems later in life, but if they got to that stage, it wouldn't be long before they start to aim for genetically coded baby butter, blue eyed option, blond haired option, a generation of paris hiltons..
Quote from: Shiranu on October 05, 2014, 03:57:47 PM
*sigh*
Fine, it means a white person *GASP* had sex with a black person.
Don't tell the eugenics police, but I had sex with a black person.... More than once!
I am ten years older than APA and understand the issue of having a mixed race baby. Locally here, it is not an issue because this is an Air Force influenced area and there are mixed race couples all over. But go into backwoods Utah into the "white and delightsome" minded mormon communities, and I'll tell you mixed race families are not well received, to say the least.
The likelihood of a city with less than 15,000 people having a black family, much less mixed race is even small. Regardless of how you judge the lesbian couple, i can certainly see their side of the issue.
Quote from: stromboli on October 06, 2014, 01:50:26 AM
I am ten years older than APA and understand the issue of having a mixed race baby. Locally here, it is not an issue because this is an Air Force influenced area and there are mixed race couples all over. But go into backwoods Utah into the "white and delightsome" minded mormon communities, and I'll tell you mixed race families are not well received, to say the least.
The likelihood of a city with less than 15,000 people having a black family, much less mixed race is even small. Regardless of how you judge the lesbian couple, i can certainly see their side of the issue.
which would be areas I wouldn't live around either. But like say, if a community is able to be accepting of a lesbian couple and them having children in the first place, I'd more then imagine it would be progressive enough to accept mixed race children. The fact the two lesbians here are the ones who don't act progressive about wanting to live in an all white community is just.. unsettling.
I wonder if 'white' was just a box they check off or is it some ironclad guarantee as seen on TV.. BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! If you act now we'll toss in an extra white kid to DOUBLE your order! You just pay the small shipping and handling charges and agree to not sue us for criminal negligence!
I find this case a very interesting ethical conundrum.
I think both parties are at fault: the sperm bank for negligence and the parents for being kinda racist. I also sympathize with both sides somewhat.
I think people are getting overly focused on the race aspect of this. I don't know specifically how the sperm bank they went to works, but I doubt that they just said "give us any white guy's sperm", especially since they wanted donor 380. In my limited experience, sperm banks generally want to know--in addition to physical aspects-- family medical history, family education history, IQ, job, hobbies, ect. One bank (http://www.cryobank.com/How-It-Works/Choosing-Your-Donor/) talks about your child recognizing their button nose and artistic talent in their donor father. I have no idea what all was included in this couple's list of traits they wanted from their donor, but I doubt "white" was the entire list and the sperm bank threw all that out the window and gave them the sperm of some random guy--who happened to be black--instead. If their allegations that the bank had no electronic records or safeguards are tue then this may not be the first time it has happened either.
Ultimately, the sperm bank's actions sound like malpractice (to this non-lawyer) and the couple looks justified in suing (again, to me) and hopefully would have done the same if they got the sperm of the wrong white guy too.
I don't understand the criticism of the couple here. They never said they didn't want the baby, love her, or wanted to send her back. They just said they didn't get sperm from the person on the profile they had accepted. Why is this a race card debate? :doh: Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on October 06, 2014, 12:10:37 PM
I don't understand the criticism of the couple here. They never said they didn't want the baby, love her, or wanted to send her back. They just said they didn't get sperm from the person on the profile they had accepted. Why is this a race card debate? :doh: Solitary
Well, cause the parents themselves made it so, saying stuff like how they live in an all white area and they wanted a white child so its not faced with discrimination for being black in this 'all white' area.
The fact these are two lesbian women, while as many people consider gay couples to be taboo as much as mixed race, makes you wonder how these two think about the implication of racism when the kid having gay parents is a none issue in there eyes.
And thats not me being homophobic I am gay, but you get my point, if its an all white area that would have issues with a mix race family, then surely the same would be for gay parents with a child. In other words the parents seem rather selective of what they consider an 'issue' here.
Seems to me the easy solution would have been, "Hey Frank.. Do you mind jerking off in this test tube for me?" But what do I know?
I'm pretty sure the sperm bank needs to do a better job at keeping track of their sperm. For me, there is not enough information to determine whether or not these women are at some kind of fault. But the sperm bank screwed up, and they know it.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 07, 2014, 09:03:04 AM
Seems to me the easy solution would have been, "Hey Frank.. Do you mind jerking off in this test tube for me?" But what do I know?
I worked for a Lesbian boss years ago, who announced at a staff meeting that she wanted to have a baby and was considering looking for a guy to get her pregnant. I'm sure she had certain standards that the guy would have to meet. I pictured her interviewing various candidates. Mostly, I wondered why she brought it up at the staff meeting. Was she fishing? I dunno, but it seemed weird. She left at the end of the year and moved to San Francisco. I don't know if she ever got pregnant.
Speaking myself as an A.I.D child, theres a curious notion in all this. i'm a white British guy who's mother is also white and obviously my donor father was white to, though dunno who he is. But this story made me think if I was born a half black half white if it would make a difference? I went to schools with mixed cultures and skin colors, and even had friends of mixed race and colors, so that wouldn't be an issue.
Also just a thought, if it was a primary black area if I had a mother who was black but the donor father was white, would a half black half white child be faced with discrimination in that area?
The city they are in is a "white flight" city, founded pretty much to give people a place to go to get away from all the "coloreds" moving in to other neighborhoods.
Yep. The North gave us White Flight, which is why the South is so racist.
Sperm bank screwed up plain and simple.
They failed to provide a product to the customer where it was requested. Worse yet, it's an irreversible mistake. The sperm bank is definitely in the wrong and needs to pay up and big.
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on October 07, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
The city they are in is a "white flight" city, founded pretty much to give people a place to go to get away from all the "coloreds" moving in to other neighborhoods.
Yep. The North gave us White Flight, which is why the South is so racist.
The south was racist long before "white flight" in the north and the north was also as racist.. White flight had more to do with mobility and the rise with tract housing, institutionalized discrimination by the insurance and lending companies, freeways and cheap cars. ..among other things.. Policing, federal and local policies and so on..
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 04, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
The sperm bank probably had a first come, first serve policy.
You mean first cum first serve?
Quote from: EvanGalea on October 07, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
You mean first cum first serve?
We in the English speaking world refer to that as implied reference..
Quote from: Munch on October 07, 2014, 08:36:39 AM
Well, cause the parents themselves made it so, saying stuff like how they live in an all white area and they wanted a white child so its not faced with discrimination for being black in this 'all white' area.
The fact these are two lesbian women, while as many people consider gay couples to be taboo as much as mixed race, makes you wonder how these two think about the implication of racism when the kid having gay parents is a none issue in there eyes.
And thats not me being homophobic I am gay, but you get my point, if its an all white area that would have issues with a mix race family, then surely the same would be for gay parents with a child. In other words the parents seem rather selective of what they consider an 'issue' here.
So you don't think their child would be discriminated against in an all white neighborhood by two lesbians?
They would just put the donors in a room with a common bucket, and then stick it in the refrigerator at closing time. The next day, they would put the sperm is vials, and label them with a date, just a date. When they got an order, they would add details that were requested.
That's the nature of such business. Did you ever wonder when you have a loved one cremated how much of the ash you get back is actually grandpa, and who else is in the box with him?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 07, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
The south was racist long before "white flight" in the north and the north was also as racist.. White flight had more to do with mobility and the rise with tract housing, institutionalized discrimination by the insurance and lending companies, freeways and cheap cars. ..among other things.. Policing, federal and local policies and so on..
That pleading really is special.
I think I would be pretty pissed if I my wife delivered a black kid..and I am sure I would be pretty pissed if I got a child of any other race. Its not really racist to want a child that at the very least is the same "color" as you. People who have children of other races are wonderful but don't tell me the kid does not go through some shit over it, even if its not alot, its shit I don't a child to have to go through, so why would I want my child to go through it? In another 20-30 years maybe race will be a quieter issue (one can hope) but its not now.
You know the irony, the current president of the united states is mixed race. His mothers white and fathers black, so yeah, if there was any time for an example of a mixed race child would seem acceptable and not taboo, it be now.
(http://cdn3.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/obama-ann-dunham-16x9.jpg)
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on October 07, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
The city they are in is a "white flight" city, founded pretty much to give people a place to go to get away from all the "coloreds" moving in to other neighborhoods.
Yep. The North gave us White Flight, which is why the South is so racist.
...I'm still trying to figure out what your point is here. Would you care to elaborate why this is at all relevant to the plot?
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on October 07, 2014, 07:20:47 PM
...I'm still trying to figure out what your point is here. Would you care to elaborate why this is at all relevant to the plot?
Jason's pretending to be smart again..
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on October 07, 2014, 07:20:47 PM
...I'm still trying to figure out what your point is here. Would you care to elaborate why this is at all relevant to the plot?
because there are not just one but very very many towns where white people still don't want black people to live in.
Quote from: aitm on October 07, 2014, 07:52:20 PM
because there are not just one but very very many towns where white people still don't want black people to live in.
I would have thought those towns would be just as backwards towards gay couples too though.
I grew up in an all white town..and they still are. 6 gays kids that I grew up with committed suicide before they were 30( unfortunately they never left that stupid town), but there are gay people there now and they are well known about. There are still no blacks, or anyone of any color, other than the last of the two native indian families.
"White flight" has not one fucking thing to do with the law suit which on the face of things is over medical malpractice. The women wanted a white kid and got a black kid. It has not one fucking thing to do with a bunch of lilly liver mother fuckers afraid of their own shadows.