Started by luke, June 09, 2021, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: luke on June 10, 2021, 02:17:20 PMHi. The thing is my friends says that the old testament with genesis is false and is the word of moses not god. He thinks that the new testament is correct and is bases on true facts.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 10, 2021, 03:57:17 PMI wonder why it really matters if Jesus existed or not; it is his actions that should be examined, not if he did or didn't exist.
Quote from: trdsf on June 10, 2021, 04:01:05 PMIf the Old Testament--and particularly Genesis--is false, then the New Testament is irrelevant. Without Genesis there is no "original sin" that the biblical god had to sacrifice himself to himself in order to make a loophole in his own rules.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 11, 2021, 01:00:46 PMI thought I had found an original sin once. But the lady showed me where it was listed on the menu. Had to try it.
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2021, 05:04:58 PMBeyond an academic exercise, I don't think it matters at all whether he existed or not. His alleged actions tell us all we can possibly know about him, so I examine those, and they are too absurd to be taken seriously. If Jesus did exist, he is not the person spoken of in the Bible, and therefore irrelevant. If he didn't exist, he is also irrelevant. I've never really understood why many atheists are compelled to conclude that he didn't exist, because it doesn't make any of the "truths" of Christianity any more or less relevant to mankind. We wouldn't even wonder about Jesus, if a bunch of primitive believers in magic hadn't made him up in the first place.
Quote from: trdsf on June 11, 2021, 08:12:15 PMAnd on top of that, most modern "Christian" sects are vastly more Paulist than they are Jesusist. They're all about what Paul decide Jesus meant to say, than what he allegedly actually did say.
Quote from: luke on June 09, 2021, 05:09:13 PMHello guys this is my first time in this forum and I just had a question. So I was debating my friend about the existence of god and he preassumed the bible and jesus are true and I asked him how is he certain. And he told me that with my logic we cant be sure if newton or sokrates (and others) exist and were real.So what should I say to him so I can reason with him?
Quote from: aitm on June 10, 2021, 10:22:22 AMHere is a simple experiment. Read the first chapter of Genesis. Now, donâ€™t just read it..LISTEN to it. Most people read it quickly because it is kind of a mumbo jumbo. But what it says...and really says, is the Heavens are the earth and the â€œfirmamentâ€ immediately around the earth. Outside of that is water....everywhere. The stars, sun, moon are all within this â€œfirmamentâ€. In other words, the heavens stops at the blue we see above our earth, then it is water. Because how else could water fall from the sky if it wasnâ€™t water. Later this is reinforced when the babble suggests that a third of the stars fell to the earth...how is that possible?Because the stars are just little twinkly things that a good archer and a strong bow could probably hit. Why else does the babble says the sky can be rolled up like a scroll? How else could a flying dragon gather a third of the stars and fling them to earth?God says he separates the light from the darkness... is before he creates earth within the surrounding water. Then he creates the sun within the firmament....inside the great water surrounding us. So once we fired off our first rocket we should have passed the clouds, stars, sun and moon within a few miles then, whammo! Smack dap into the water that surround us.But there is lots more whack a doo, if you actually read the babble. Where else can you find such nonsense?Only in the bat shit crazy world of the babble.
Quote from: Cassia on June 11, 2021, 10:08:51 PMIt was very common for many cultures in early biblical times to teach very simply through 'mythical allegory'. Look at the ancient Greek myths, for example. It was never meant to be historical.
Quote from: SGOS on July 29, 2021, 07:59:01 AMI always assumed the Greeks believed in their Gods. There would be skeptics of course. But I have no knowledge to support my assumption. On the other hand, who is to say the writers of the Bible actually believed what they were writing?
Quote from: Biffster on July 29, 2021, 09:58:23 AMI think the Greeks believed in their gods about the same way we believe in superheroes.
Quote from: aitm on July 29, 2021, 08:03:31 PMIt does seem rather obvious to the outsider that every culture had their own gods. Early American Indians also had a flood story, I believe it was called the reed and the turtle, very similar to other flood stories as quite simply floods are far more common world wide than any other calamity.