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Title: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Shiranu on December 17, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35124280

QuoteIt is not our business to determine his merits, that is up to US voters," Mr Putin told reporters after his annual televised news conference. "But he is the absolute leader in the presidential race."
"He is a very outstanding person, talented, without any doubt."

New York billionaire Mr Trump has spoken warmly about Mr Putin's tough approach to foreign policy in the past.
"I think that I would probably get along with him very well" - Donald Trump, on Vladimir Putin (October)

It is definitely too early to mark Mr Putin's comments as a negative for the New York businessman, however. The Russian leader has long been admired by conservatives who say his resolute demeanour and toughness are qualities lacking in the current White House occupant. Talk to Trump supporters, and they'll tell you those are exactly the kind of attributes they admire in their man.

What a strange world we live in; the most ra-ra-America! amongst us loves the evil commies and the evil commies love him back. What a time to be a live.

I always wanted a president like Putin so this gives me hope.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Nonsensei on December 17, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
Putin is a strong leader, and republicans like that.

Hitler was also a strong leader.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Hydra009 on December 17, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
This is very much the proverbial compliment from Hitler.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Munch on December 17, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SEAbrVx.gif)
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on December 17, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
In a sane world Putin liking a guy would be a campaign ending thing. This is not a sane world.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: pr126 on December 18, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Well, America is steering towards socialism  (Bernie Sanders?).

Socialism is communism lite. It doesn't work very well. See Europe.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Shiranu on December 18, 2015, 04:09:50 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 18, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Well, America is steering towards socialism  (Bernie Sanders?).

Socialism is communism lite. It doesn't work very well. See Europe.

Yes... higher standards of living... citizens not being crushed by overwhelming debt... higher over-all happiness and contentness with life... not living in fear that if you get sick it will drive you into poverty... a lower rate of poverty... a much smaller wealth gap between the top and bottom... politicians that didn't have to run on campaigns of fear to win...

Sounds terrible.

Of course facts haven't swayed you before so... here I go yelling at the brick wall again.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: pr126 on December 18, 2015, 04:29:31 AM
Hah, comrade Shiranu, I knew I'll have your attention there.  ;)

Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Shiranu on December 18, 2015, 04:39:25 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 18, 2015, 04:29:31 AM
Hah, comrade Shiranu, I knew I'll have your attention there.  ;)



:P
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:30:07 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 18, 2015, 03:56:32 AM
Well, America is steering towards socialism  (Bernie Sanders?).

Socialism is communism lite. It doesn't work very well. See Europe.

I am sure there is some backward little town in Alabama, where you can get your picture taken with Boss Hogg.  Are we showing the sum of all our fears?  What next ... fat people?  I can see you are ready to parachute into Russia to kill all the commies ... since Putin supports Assad and is anti-Ukrainian-Nazi.  I am surprised you haven't built a time machine to go back and kill Muhammad.

Socialism/Capitalism is a false dichotomy ... neither system works for you or me, neither system is free.  Party slave, wage slave, debt slave, chattel slave ... it is slavery all the way down.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:32:18 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 17, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
This is very much the proverbial compliment from Hitler.

And the usual hyperbole ... Putin isn't Stalin, and Merkel isn't Hitler.  But then Obama isn't FDR and Osborne isn't Churchill.  Burlescone however is much funnier than Mussolini.

Strong leader vs weak leader.  So hard to choose ;-)  Maybe the point isn't to "follow the leader".
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:35:32 AM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on December 17, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
In a sane world Putin liking a guy would be a campaign ending thing. This is not a sane world.

I like Putin ... but I am not running for office.  Obama is a total incompetent ... even as a sock puppet of the CIA.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 11:38:26 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 18, 2015, 04:09:50 AM
Yes... higher standards of living... citizens not being crushed by overwhelming debt... higher over-all happiness and contentness with life... not living in fear that if you get sick it will drive you into poverty... a lower rate of poverty... a much smaller wealth gap between the top and bottom... politicians that didn't have to run on campaigns of fear to win...

Sounds terrible.

Of course facts haven't swayed you before so... here I go yelling at the brick wall again.
Unfortunately, the poster child of socialist Europe, Sweden, is having a bit of trouble because of it's socialist policies. 
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 17, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35124280

What a strange world we live in; the most ra-ra-America! amongst us loves the evil commies and the evil commies love him back. What a time to be a live.

I always wanted a president like Putin so this gives me hope.
People like Putin because he's taken on a rugged masculine image and he unapologetic about it.  In fact, he makes sure everyone sees it and uses it to his political advantage.  Sure, he's definitely not a good man, but he's pretty damn good at being manly.  Men admire him because they want to be manly like him, and women like him for other reasons.  Have you ever wondered why women go for the cocky assholes?  It's a primal thing.
Trump pales in comparison to Putin's bad-ass image and probably wants to be more like him, just a little bit. 
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 11:38:26 AM
Unfortunately, the poster child of socialist Europe, Sweden, is having a bit of trouble because of it's socialist policies.

If only Hitler had been more successful, then Sweden could have continued to be the lackey of the Nazis.  I knew a guy who was a sailor in the Atlantic US Navy in WW II.  We were just weeks away from bombing Stockholm and invading them.

Today if Sweden has a problem it is their open door policy.  But then maybe that is enough to make them socialist (on top of everything else they do that repudiates the American Way).
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
People like Putin because he's taken on a rugged masculine image and he unapologetic about it.  In fact, he makes sure everyone sees it and uses it to his political advantage.  Sure, he's definitely not a good man, but he's pretty damn good at being manly.  Men admire him because they want to be manly like him, and women like him for other reasons.  Have you ever wondered why women go for the cocky assholes?  It's a primal thing.
Trump pales in comparison to Putin's bad-ass image and probably wants to be more like him, just a little bit.

All men are bad .... just ask a feminist ;-)  But Bad can be Good .. if you know what I mean.  Hell yes ... most men ... even straight men, will prefer Putin over Trump.  If you don't like it ... go to the gym more often ;-)
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Nonsensei on December 17, 2015, 07:42:07 PM
Putin is a strong leader, and republicans like that.

Hitler was also a strong leader.

Yeah, so was Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia. (http://hubpages.com/education/25-Facts-about-Vlad-Tepes-the-Impaler)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pD4AAOSwBahVS3bA/s-l300.jpg)

Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
If only Hitler had been more successful, then Sweden could have continued to be the lackey of the Nazis.  I knew a guy who was a sailor in the Atlantic US Navy in WW II.  We were just weeks away from bombing Stockholm and invading them.

Today if Sweden has a problem it is their open door policy.  But then maybe that is enough to make them socialist (on top of everything else they do that repudiates the American Way).
The open door policy, and their generous welfare program.  Both of them together is what's doing the damage. 
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:10:27 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
Yeah, so was Vlad III, Prince of Wallachia. (http://hubpages.com/education/25-Facts-about-Vlad-Tepes-the-Impaler)


Fortunately his blood line continues in the British royal family since King Edward VIII.  The wife of King George V ... was his descendent by two of his sons.  Prince Charles is quite proud of it.  So expect the current royals to be quite ... stern with their subjects.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
The word "austere" comes to mind...
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
The word "austere" comes to mind...

Only when the blood bank is empty ... austere = pale

Perhaps give the peasants a good ... bitting ... instead of a good thrashing ;-)  Hickies for everyone!
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Munch on December 18, 2015, 06:51:54 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2015, 06:10:27 PM
Fortunately his blood line continues in the British royal family since King Edward VIII.  The wife of King George V ... was his descendent by two of his sons.  Prince Charles is quite proud of it.  So expect the current royals to be quite ... stern with their subjects.

I had to investigate my family bloodline, to see if I am a distant descendant of Vlad. We're all connected at one point if you go back far enough, much like how everyone says they are connected to Charlemagne. And while I know I am descended from eleanor of aquitaine, theres no connection made with old Vlad, a least not in the far reaches of ancestry found of my line.
Both a little glad and little disappointed, being related to one of europes most bloody murderers would be both fascinating and creepy.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 06:56:06 PM
I just recently read this book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Historian), an extremely good read!
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 07:01:43 PM
I think humans have invented such monsters as Dracula, the Wolf man, gods and devils, etc., simply because we can't stand being the most evil bastards in existence.

:d030:
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
Wow, according to this (http://www.therichest.com/top-lists/top-250-richest-people-in-the-world/), Putin has $70 billion! Trump's a lightweight, at only $4.5 billion. No wonder they love each other so...
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Munch on December 18, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2015, 07:01:43 PM
I think humans have invented such monsters as Dracula, the Wolf man, gods and devils, etc., simply because we can't stand being the most evil bastards in existence.


Maybe, but I dunno, its like the reason why people invent horror monsters today, characters like jason, michael myers, hannibal lecter or jigsaw, or creepypastas like the rake, slenderman or mr bear, its because people like to be scared, and inventing characters that instill that kind of fear in people is both fun and in a way healthy (fear being a drive).

Dracula, the mummy and Frankenstein are just the early examples of what people today think up in horror movies and modern campfire stories.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: pr126 on December 19, 2015, 12:40:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqNL7sIhGs
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Hydra009 on December 19, 2015, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: Munch on December 18, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Maybe, but I dunno, its like the reason why people invent horror monsters today, characters like jason, michael myers, hannibal lecter or jigsaw, or creepypastas like the rake, slenderman or mr bear, its because people like to be scared, and inventing characters that instill that kind of fear in people is both fun and in a way healthy (fear being a drive).

Dracula, the mummy and Frankenstein are just the early examples of what people today think up in horror movies and modern campfire stories.
True.  But the monsters are often thinly-veiled metaphors for real-life social ills.  The vampire is the foreigner come to suck on your daughters' neck (if you know what I mean).  Witches are women who don't know their place and bring calamity down on the village.  Zombies are the brain-addled consumerist hordes.  Frankenstein's monster is the hubris of science.  And demons are simply other religions' gods.

Horror is based on fear.  Fear of the unknown.  Fear of the other.  Fear of harm/death.  The monsters are invented in order to explore these fears.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
PR126 ... I can summarize without silly video-bots ...

Socialism - stupid apes
Capitalism - stupid apes
Monarchism - stupid apes
Republicanism - stupid apes

So to summarize political-economics ... stupid apes.
Planet of the Apes (original version) was real, we are the fakes.
Don't you have an oppressed S American country to terrorize? ;-)  Blackadder indeed ;-))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcpRHuPjOI

This is what happens when you have illegal immigrants from Ft Wayne Indiana (actual home of character in movie).
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Unbeliever on December 22, 2015, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Jack89 on December 18, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
Trump pales in comparison to Putin's bad-ass image and probably wants to be more like him, just a little bit. 

Yeah, Trump's got much fewer $billion$ than Putin, and would like to have more than him.
Title: Re: Putin Loves Trump - Trump Loves Putin
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on December 22, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
Joanie loves Chachi?