venio, video, vinco. (I come, I see, I conquer)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ecbarrowes, If you want to believe that a God exists and is benevolent, why should that concern any of us?

Believers like to huddle. Mutually supportive delusions, it's a thing with religion.

[the_antithesis]

God exists and is benevolent.

What is?

[Hijiri Byakuren]

God exists and is benevolent.

What is a god? You must define your terms.

[Blackleaf]

"Knowledge" can have such potent force that in all self-honesty, you cannot deny it. Absolute certainty of a thing can be delivered to the soul by God. In order to distinguish such from other ideas which are not truly "known" requires a calm, clear mind, introspection, self-honesty.

So you're one of those people who thinks atheists secretly believe in God, but just pretend they don't because we're mad at him or just want to sin. Do I understand you correctly?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I wasn't indoctrinated as a child. That allowed to grow up. And to grow up without ghosts and ghoulies and things that bump in the night.

Lots of people need to grow up.

[Mr.Obvious]

Well guys, time to call our defeat.


Ecbarrowes is right, not because of supported arguments or logic or evidence or...
No, they are right because they say they are right. And nothing beats that.
We all know, back from our elementary school days that the kid who put their fingers in their ears and went 'nananana i can't hear you' was the smartest kid in school.

Ecbarrowes may not yet have put forth a single complete claim that they want challenged.
But the moment they do, we have obviously lost.

[the_antithesis]

You're wrong and I can prove it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's pointless to try to educate the poster, it's mind was made up when the indoctrination started when it was a child. I was never indoctrinated, never a believer.

[Ecbarrowes]

What's a god?

Jesus said, Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. God expects us to grow up and be like him. Hence God is an advanced version of ourselves.

[Ecbarrowes]

Ecbarrowes, If you want to believe that a God exists and is benevolent, why should that concern any of us?

If a benevolent creator exists, then all prospects are good for anyone with genuine desires for happiness. Of course prospects would be bad for those intent on darkness.

[Ecbarrowes]

So you're one of those people who thinks atheists secretly believe in God, but just pretend they don't because we're mad at him or just want to sin. Do I understand you correctly?

I would say that "athiests" are a motley crew, just as any categorization. Certainly, some fit the descriptors you mentioned.

[Ecbarrowes]

You're wrong and I can prove it.

You're wrong and I can prove it.

I'm waiting...

[Ecbarrowes]

I'm not right because I "say so." Truth has a way of enduring time and temperament trials. Christians, like all people, can be delusional at times. They can be right at times. The task, as I see it, is to determine what is true and filter for it, so that one's brain becomes a garden of truth, pleasant and joyous to inhabit.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The task, as I see it, is to determine what is true and filter for it, so that one's brain becomes a garden of truth, pleasant and joyous to inhabit.

You're a human and therefore not good at that.

[Unbeliever]

I don't believe God exists, and I don't believe that Jesus ever existed.