Started by mediumaevum, June 07, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 09, 2014, 02:35:26 PMI was refering to DunkleSeele's post.Your post was the only serious response. I'd like to thank you :)
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 09, 2014, 12:56:44 PMWhy are you people so cruel towards me? You assume I am a christian nut or something and you don't talk nice to me. Everything I write, no matter if I agree with you or not, I am in the position of ridicule. Even if I wrote the same shit as you wanted to write yourself, before you could write it yourself, you would make it into a ridicule of me!I am 100 % certain that if I were to write this OP in another username, you would not write the shit you wrote, DunkleSeele.YOU are the one talking bullshit!
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 07, 2014, 11:56:20 AMThere IS an absolute Truth, we don't know what it is, but it is still there.
Quote from: Ferrin on June 08, 2014, 04:46:59 PMThe existence of something is only relevant if it affects us. If we are never able to know about its existence in any way shape or form, or even the effect it has on us, then why bother? It's a hypothetical existence without bearing on our reality.We observe the universe around us and are slowly putting the puzzle together. We do not know whether we will ever complete this puzzle, or are only able to see one side of a 3d puzzle. They are not things we can know (perhaps yet), and the existence or lack there-of of these is irrelevant with our current knowledge.Sure, the star might exist, in fact, it's plausible it could exist because we see them all over the observable universe. But it's still irrelevant aside from a possible prediction based on our current understanding, which may well be wrong.Did I get any of this wrong? Be gentle. ;)
Quote from: DunkleSeele on June 09, 2014, 06:00:12 PMOh yeah, I'm such a meanie...*yawn*First of all, I guarantee you that I would have answered exactly the same way if that bullshit was posted under another name. Bullshit is bullshit, regardless of the poster. If you don't believe me, go look at my post history.Second: while we're on the topic of post history, maybe you wouldn't get such answers if you didn't have yourself a long history of bullshit threads. You know, people tend to get tired when they see so much nonsense coming from a poster.Third: grow a thicker skin. In a forum there's every kind of people, including "cruel" ones (whatever it means). If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Quote from: Shol'va on June 09, 2014, 09:14:25 PMAlright, I'll bite. What do you mean by absolute truth and how do you know it exists?
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 01:58:19 AMYou could at least try and talk polite. I am not asking for getting addressed as a king, I just want the same kind of respect that people normally would recieve,regardless of their history. If you disagree with me, fine, I can accept that, and that's why I posted it in the first place, in hope of constructive criticism. So far, your post was not constructive criticism, it was personal attacks, calling me a "dimwhit" with a "single brain cell".I don't believe it is too much to ask for a less rude reply.
QuoteBy Absolute Truth, I am refering to the laws of nature, which I believe applies to everything that is ultimately ruled by the laws of nature.Such as politics or many other things in life. Life is a product of nature, so everything in life (including politics) must obey the laws of nature, which has an Absolute Truth (gravity, reacting forces, you name them).
QuoteI then go out and conclude that, if Nature has an Absolute Truth, so should everything derived from nature have it too.That includes politics. Or religion. Or when to change your socks.
QuoteProblem is, we don't know what this truth is. We can guess, but I don't think we will ever be able to know it.I was not refering to a diety at all. I wasn't refering to anything supernatural.
QuoteIn short: If we can calculate how to fire a rocket to the moon, why shouldn't we be able to calculate which policies to adapt in our society?
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 04:26:32 AMDunkelSeele - All I said was that as with gravity, you can calculate how to get to the moon, so can you do the same with policies.
QuoteWelfare is one example. By using the science of what is healthy, we can determine how our National Welfare Policy should be.This applies to many other fields in our society. Agricultural policy for example, should be determined of what is good for agricultural growth.
QuoteHow is this stupid?
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 04:49:21 AMIt occours to me that we are talking a different language.
QuoteTo you, the term "Absolute Truth" has a religious or mysterious connotation.To me, it is merely another way of saying: "We know that there is something we don't know". As in: "We know there is something in the box, but we don't know what it is".
QuoteOf course I do NOT say that politics should be determined by gravity. I said that AS WITH gravity, determining how to fire a rocket to the moon, so should matters of society be discussed through science.
QuoteSee the above post for examples of Welfare and Agricultural politics determined by science, not "what I think".
QuoteIn other words, you don't know but then pretend to know slapping a fucking label on it. This is EXACTLY the same line of reasoning of theists saying "I don't know, therefore gawd". And what if in the box there's a big grogan instead of your not-yet-defined "Absolute Truth"?
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 05:49:54 AMThe Absolute Truth is the sum of the matter in the entire universe. Is this really so hard to grasp for you?
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 05:49:54 AMThen the Absolute Truth, in regards to the content of the box, is this grogan. Whatever that is/means.
QuoteThe Absolute Truth is the sum of the matter in the entire universe.
QuoteIs this really so hard to grasp for you?
QuoteI am not moving goalposts.
QuoteYOU just don't want to understand anything, and have your biased suppositions about me.