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Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 02:04:59 PMIf I could go back in time, I would slaughter the first damn fool who imagined a deity of any sort. And every damned idiot who thought of it afterwards.
Quote from: trdsf on December 28, 2018, 12:24:29 AMI'm not worried about one lone nut. I'd be more interested in stopping the first one who convinced someone else of their delusion. That's when the idea became dangerous.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on January 04, 2019, 07:31:29 AMI think the most consistent and honest stance toward the existence of any kind of god is agnostisicm. we do not know whether there is a god or not. looking at the issue with our current scientific knowledge, we are bound to say we are in doubt.
Quote from: Baruch on January 05, 2019, 12:52:25 AMNone of which makes you anything in particular; atheist or Democrat. But they are who you are, a mixed bag of unrelated characteristics. Otherwise you are engaged in pop psychology (like the rest of us) trying to analyze, often in a prejudiced fashion, what makes one theistic or Republican.As a centrist, I am neither Democrat nor Republican. As a human being with unmet needs, I am theist, but heretical. Too individual for group think.Now one can psychoanalyze that all one wants to (or any other testimony given here by others, Amen brother GSOgymrat!). But it is pissing upwind, because the person themselves, even if they have an idea as to why they are the way they are, don't really know.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 04, 2019, 02:04:29 PMI think there are several factors that contribute to my atheism and Iâ€™ve listed these factors from most influential to least.1) I grew up in the United States. The US is primarily a secular society and the government tolerates different religions and the non-religious. The movies, television shows, music and books I experienced as a child were mostly non-religious. Had I been raised in a theocracy or culture that didnâ€™t allow secular entertainment, free speech or blasphemy itâ€™s less likely I would have been atheist.2) My family wasnâ€™t particularly religious. We went to Sunday school and services at a Methodist church every week. We said grace before meals and prayers before bed but otherwise religion wasnâ€™t a focus in our home. Prayer was never presented as a means of addressing a problem; nobody in my family was wondering â€œWhat would Jesus do?â€ My father didnâ€™t tell me he was an atheist until I was sixteen and he admitted he took us to church to meet social expectations and appease our mother.3) Christianity and the Bible donâ€™t make sense to me. Every atheist here knows the contradictions and impossible elements of the Bible. Christians canâ€™t even agree what is literal and what is metaphor. Yet even if I take the most charitable view of Christianity some of the basic tenets seem wrong. If I discovered life, the universe and everything operates the way Christians believe it would be a big disappointment because honestly the story is messed up.4) Iâ€™ve never had a spiritual experience. If I felt there was a presence around me, felt â€œGodâ€™s loveâ€ or had some profound experience that convinced me there was a supernatural element to reality I might be a person of faith. I havenâ€™t experienced anything like that.5) My personality isnâ€™t conducive to religious dogma. Iâ€™m introverted, live in my head and for me the entire world is a collection of ideas and stories. Every idea should be open to questioning, re-evaluation and improvement. Every story varies according to perspective. I canâ€™t think of anything that is beyond criticism. Most religions are built on dogma, hierarchy and faith and Iâ€™m not good with any of those.6) The American Christian church doesnâ€™t appeal to me. Because of my personality, I dreaded going to church. I didnâ€™t enjoy participating in group activities, I didnâ€™t like making chit-chat with people I barely knew, I rarely found the minister engaging and hugging strangers made me uncomfortable. I found sitting in a Sunday school class where people parrot banal platitudes tedious. I did enjoy the singing. If going to church involved lively debates about existential issues (â€œTodayâ€™s discussion is â€œIs God an asshole?â€™â€) or spending three hours alone in the woods in contemplative prayer I might be more interested. Christian churches in America are designed around fellowship, collecting money, community service and exalting Jesus and Iâ€™m just not into it. Obviously other people enjoy this and more power to them.7) Iâ€™ve never felt unloved or disconnected. I think many people are attracted to religion because they desire connection both to others and to something greater than themselves. Many people seem to have existential angst, â€œan emptinessâ€ or a longing for something they canâ€™t always articulate. I think this is why some people join religions (I also think this is why some people use drugs). I completely respect those feelings but Iâ€™ve just never experienced them, even when I face terminal illness. I think if I felt lonely, fearful or that my life lacked purpose I would be more succeptible to religion. 8) I was a gay kid. Growing up I got the message there was something intrinsically wrong with me and this message came primarily from religious people. After years of agonizing and analyzing, I eventually came to the conclusion as an adolescent that society had the problem, not LGBT people. I realized the messages I was receiving were false and it opened my eyes to other damaging narratives. Religions are full of damaging narratives.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 04, 2019, 10:09:09 AMThat's one way of looking at it. Are you agnostic about the existence of faries? Or Bugs Bunny? Or mermaids? Or trolls? Or...................I could go on and on. I used to call myself an agnostic for I maintained as you do, there is no evidence that a god does not exist. But I have changed my mind. I think there is no god(s) for there is not any evidence there is one. Yes, the absence of evidence does (for me) lead me to think there is no god. With billions of believers from the inception of any religion to now, there is not a shred of evidence produced to indicate there is a god. In fact, the lack of evidence is so profound that it is impossible to give the existence of any god no chance to be fact. Nature itself is proof that a god is not at work. The most honest stance for me is that no god could possibly exist. Show me where I am in error.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on January 05, 2019, 04:00:12 PMI am, of course, not a believer in faries. as far as we are on the way to much better observer of the world that circles us... we have finally improved scientific knowledge. This is the way of perceiving the environment surrounding us. I don't believe a god like Zeus that can send tornados and lightening... Because meteorology taught us how the weather conditions can be predicted ...and we know that these are noting to do with any hands of any god...However it seems that there is no god, by assuming from absence of evidences, and from absurdity of existing religions; we can't show ''what if'' there is a god or not. Of couse you cannot prove ''the abcence''... There wouldn't be the prove of the abcence. the best is, at least in practice, to be an ''agnostik-atheist'' who their stance toward the existence of a god like behaving as if there is no god in prior... And assuming that there is no god in interventioning the worldy things... this is required in prantice...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 04:30:15 PMI have no more problem not believing in the god of the christians than I have in not believing in the gods of hindus, jews, moslems, zoroastrians, persians, egyptians, greeks, romans, aztecs, incans, zulus, amerinds, or norwegians (and my apologies to all those I left out, but I don't believe in yours either). They are all the same superstitious crap to me. To those of currently active theisms, please don't bother trying to make any distinctions or claims of modernity. It really is all the same to me. There is no evidence of any type of deity, nor is there any requirement for one. The universe would exist perfectly well if there was just our life, many kinds of life, or no life at all. I know that is difficult to really and truly understand for some, but that what I think. And part of it is that I actually "think" instead of "believing". And please spare me the "well you must believe in something". No. And not the evil versions of your theisms either. Just as I don't believe in the judeo/christian/moslem god, I equally do not have any belief in devils, satans, etc.And I'm not negative. I have a personally positive outlook about "the world". It just doesn't involve any sort of deity. So when I laugh at what I consider to be silly superstitions, that is what I mean.OK?
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on January 05, 2019, 05:02:51 PMI wish i prefaced in the entrance of my post, i should have indicated that i am an agnostik-atheist.I practically don't believe in any god, including allah, but i say there can be... but the probability don't make me behave like as is there is one...in practice...