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Title: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: dtq123 on March 01, 2015, 02:05:58 PM
Just want your opinion, since some animes often include a decision to be ignored or hated in the main character.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: stromboli on March 01, 2015, 02:47:53 PM
Quote from: dtq123 on March 01, 2015, 02:05:58 PM
Just want your opinion, since some animes often include a decision to be ignored or hated in the main character.

I'll pick hated, because at least they know you are alive. I've been both, so I have something to compare to.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Solitary on March 01, 2015, 03:04:10 PM
That's an easy one---It's better to be ignored---when people hate you and are radically religious they kill you. Solitary
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Mike Cl on March 01, 2015, 03:11:59 PM
Depends upon the situation.  In boot camp I was ignored and I loved it.  The hated ones were made to pay.  When I ran a classroom I would rather be hated than ignored.  When hated, the classroom ran smoothly--when ignored, it was chaos.  In general life it is better to be hated--consider the axiom that there is no bad publicity--than ignored.  Hated matters--ignored doesn't .  In our personal lives the opposite of loved is not hated.  The opposite of loved is indifference.  Love and hate are passions--indifference or being ignored is in a state of being invisible--who cares?

But it is still fairly situationial.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Solitary on March 01, 2015, 03:27:24 PM
There is a difference between being hated and respected. You sure you are not being too hard on yourself for having disciplined your class. Solitary
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Mike Cl on March 01, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: Solitary on March 01, 2015, 03:27:24 PM
There is a difference between being hated and respected. You sure you are not being too hard on yourself for having disciplined your class. Solitary
No, not too hard.  I preferred to be respected, but if it took being hated to have an orderly classroom, then so be it.  They either played by my rules or they took their toys and played with themselves somewhere else.  And since my classroom was in a juvenile hall, it was to their cells.  Actually, in that environment consistency was the key--my rules, no exceptions, all the time.  No waffling, no backing down.  Another key, was not to have too many rules.  And you must back up whatever rules you did have.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: SGOS on March 01, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Now there's a dilemma.  I don't know which is better or worse.  I think ignored is worse, but it's a tough call for me.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: aitm on March 01, 2015, 06:41:33 PM
I prefer ignored because that implies a degree of dis-respect and I like that as I can casually walk by and slice the fuckers throat….er………I mean it would be easier to kill your enemies if they think you can't. When they hate you they concentrate on you, nothing will escape them and attacking them becomes to damn risky. But when they ignore you, when they think you are nothing, that is when you can slide by under the pretense of fear and gut them like an August pig.



















Ha. Ha-Ha. HA-HA HA HA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHHA………….er skip that last part
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: trdsf on March 01, 2015, 07:51:26 PM
Ignored.  Then I can just do my thing and the fuck with everyone else.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: PickelledEggs on March 01, 2015, 08:08:01 PM
Depends on what you're going for.

For me: hated. If you have people that passionately  hate you for who you are and/or what you do, you're most likely going to also have a bunch of people that passionately support what you do.

Plus. I <3 haters. If someone tells me I can't/shouldn't do something or it's not possible to do something, it makes me that more determined to get it done.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 01, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
I definitely prefer to be ignored, in fact I wouldn't mind being invisible. When you are hated people actively try to oppose you but when you are ignored you can go on about your business. This reminds me of having lunch with friends at a restaurant a couple of days ago. One friend was upset because the waitress was not attentive and our drinks were low. I wasn't upset by this but to stop her complaining I got up, walked behind the counter and filled our drinks. The employees ignored me and I was perfectly happy. If the employees hated me they would have intervened.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on March 01, 2015, 08:41:04 PM
Haters gonna hate, ignorers gonna ignore..  Ignore this..
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Contemporary Protestant on March 01, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
do you think that this maybe influenced by whether someone is an introvert or an extrovert, because i would prefer to be ignored because well being hated sucks
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 01, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on March 01, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
do you think that this maybe influenced by whether someone is an introvert or an extrovert, because i would prefer to be ignored because well being hated sucks

I'm very introverted and for me this question is like "would you prefer to live in a secluded cabin by a lake or a concentration camp?"
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on March 01, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on March 01, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
do you think that this maybe influenced by whether someone is an introvert or an extrovert, because i would prefer to be ignored because well being hated sucks
Well..We all hate you so we generally ignore you so it's a win/win for you! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: PickelledEggs on March 01, 2015, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 01, 2015, 08:41:04 PM
Haters gonna hate, ignorers gonna ignore..  Ignore this..
I hate that.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: PickelledEggs on March 01, 2015, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on March 01, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
do you think that this maybe influenced by whether someone is an introvert or an extrovert, because i would prefer to be ignored because well being hated sucks
i'm very introverted and I love haters.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on March 01, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 01, 2015, 09:26:21 PM
I hate that.
I'm going to ignore this comment..
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Mike Cl on March 01, 2015, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 01, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
I'm very introverted and for me this question is like "would you prefer to live in a secluded cabin by a lake or a concentration camp?"
Yeah!  I'd vote for that.  At this stage in my life I'm not introverted but a loner--and for all those that have a problem with that, fuck you!  :))  My motto now is --leave me the hell alone!  Heaven for me would be my wife, my furry children, my children (every now and again) and family--and my computer, the internet, with no phone.  Stuck out in the woods--on an island--deserted coast--no neighbors--along with books and a little tv.  Ahhhhh..................  oh yeah, almost forgot--ice cream!
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Johan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: dtq123 on March 01, 2015, 02:05:58 PM
Just want your opinion, since some animes often include a decision to be ignored or hated in the main character.
I don't understand how the premise you've described relates to your main question.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: dtq123 on March 03, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
Quote from: Johan on March 02, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
I don't understand how the premise you've described relates to your main question.
It's what inspired the question. T_T
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Brian37 on March 03, 2015, 08:42:40 AM
It is better to have facts. Being hated will happen on a planet of  7 billion.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: leo on March 03, 2015, 04:14:33 PM
I prefer to be ignored.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Johan on March 03, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: dtq123 on March 03, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
It's what inspired the question. T_T
Fair enough. Still, the answer requires context. Howard Stern has had nearly as many listeners who hated him as loved him over the course of his career. At one point the stats showed that listeners who hated him listened an hour longer on average per day than those who loved him. So obviously for him, its much better to be hated than ignored.

But if you were to ask a member of any minority group who has suffered physical or emotional harm at the hand of another simply because they were a member of said minority group, I'd expect they would much prefer to be ignored instead of hated.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Shiranu on March 03, 2015, 11:10:25 PM
Neither.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Aletheia on March 03, 2015, 11:34:22 PM
If I'm powerless, then I'd prefer to be ignored. If I have more power than my peers, then being hated wouldn't matter much.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Mike Cl on March 04, 2015, 09:05:09 AM
As suggested earlier, it is (like most things in life) situation.  Neither is better all the time. 

There is only one constant good in this life--ice cream!
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
Followers of the atheism religion seem to be hated by the majority of the population. Atheist believers seem to be a small minority. Why? I wonder why.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: dtq123 on March 05, 2015, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
Followers of the atheism religion seem to be hated by the majority of the population. Atheist believers seem to be a small minority. Why? I wonder why.
I'm quite open about my "religion" yet people don't give a crap. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:24:09 PM
That is hard to believe. Followers of the atheist religion are hated in every country, even the U.S. There are legions of Christians who want to do something about followers of the atheist religion in the U.S. I wonder why.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: dtq123 on March 05, 2015, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:24:09 PM
That is hard to believe.
I live in Washington, not the bible belt. Do mind the gap.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
Many Christians seem to be of the opinion that the rising hatred of followers of the atheism religion is a good thing. I wonder what will happen if tensions ever completely come to a head.
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: Mike Cl on March 06, 2015, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: winterland78 on March 05, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
Many Christians seem to be of the opinion that the rising hatred of followers of the atheism religion is a good thing. I wonder what will happen if tensions ever completely come to a head.
First of all, the absence of a religion is not a religion.  And if the religious hatred grows, then it is no mystery what the religious will do.  They will become violent.  Always have and always do; the mentally ill often react that way.  And yes, it is actually dangerous to be atheist in some countries. 
Title: Re: Is it better to be hated or ignored?
Post by: antediluvian on March 06, 2015, 07:51:29 PM
Being ignored is good.
I ignore most folks
and enjoy being ignored in return.