Started by Paolo, March 12, 2021, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: Paolo on March 13, 2021, 02:43:10 AMYou idiots don't understand. I will be more specific. Not that it will help, since the best you can do is apparently insult people.
Quote from: aitm on March 13, 2021, 08:41:55 AMAgain, your bar for â€œmiraclesâ€ is awfully...awfully low.
Quote from: Paolo on March 13, 2021, 02:43:10 AMThe first example was a mere coincidence, it could certainly be argued.I was wrong with my second example, though. It didn't get the point across.Anyway, let's substitute the example...Let's say someone with severe, almost mortal CHEST PAIN (yes, did not change much) was being ''laid hands on'' by someone who claimed to be a miracle worker. Then that person stopped feeling that pain after being prayed for. Now you would not be convincing in saying it was a coincidence, for how could the pain stop right after the praying words?
QuoteBut NO ONE would deny the causal relationship between the prayer and the ''cure''. Or at least you could deny, but you would not be convincing to anyone.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 14, 2021, 03:37:17 AMI think a 'miracle' is some sort of a situation which people want to be dazzled, amazed, astonished strongly, feel awe but do not want to know what it actually is because than it would lose that 'miracle' quality. The unknown, mysterious part is the important part. Because it has 'infinite' potential. When science demonstrates and explains things, phenomena and events, it requires knowledge or time, work, energy put in to understand all that. And most of the time, it is not really even possible to understand it in the real sense. Now which one is consumed easily? Miracles. Which ones look less threatening? Miracles. I think most people are simply afraid of science and while they have a natural aversion to it, they also understand it is an incredible power. And they see miracles or mumbo jumbo as something challenging, competing against science, checking it...
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 14, 2021, 09:56:06 AM Nope. It's fascinating and it has a 'meaning' because it's his god. I have told him that I have seen Moses once or twice... a fucking giant Prometheus leaning towards to my face to talk to me 'telepathically' in a dark cave, hiding from giant, organic, very vivid Egyptian gods walking around in thousands of years of huge black marble dungeons -trust me there are very few things scarier than seeing Anubis walking around in a vivid nightmare- and I still shiver remembering those, I have no idea what's my deal with Ancient Egyptian gods deep in my mind... but Nope. It's Jesus Christ. Obviously, he is involved. I love him and obviously I'm a good person.