Started by the_antithesis, August 16, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 17, 2014, 03:11:10 PMIf we do this right we can go from jobless dystopia to jobless (near) utopia. What it will require is a better allocation or resources and a new way of thinking about wealth and the economy. Unfortunately I think things will get worse before they get better, as tends to happen with every technological revolution. To me this stands as a revolution as important to humanity as the agricultural revolution. The elimination of the job as a workable concept is happening. The change is inevitable, so what we need to do now is take steps necessary to make it as painless as possible, though it will be painful no matter what we do.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 17, 2014, 03:40:02 PMThis is not sustainable unless they just start giving people money for not working.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 17, 2014, 02:25:28 PMAnd we're all made of tabbaccy.Makes me glad I'm middle aged. I'll likely be dead before this gets too terrible.Good luck, kids.
Quote from: Johan on August 17, 2014, 04:45:50 PMSee that's just it. I'm middle aged and I'm afraid that I won't be dead before it happens. Like I said, once the dust settles, things will probably be great for all those who weather the process. But before the dust settles? That part is going to suck for tons of people. Trying to survive on nearly nothing is all well and good when you're still young enough to switch gears and learn a completely new skill or just use your existing skills to barter out a living on the underbelly of society. Its something else entirely to try to do that when you're old and/or sick.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 17, 2014, 04:13:32 PMBut then, they tried that in ancient Rome, to just pay the poor to remain poor instead of giving them work. Eventually the system collapsed.Work is not just a means to earn a living. It's what keeps the population busy and not rebelling against the government and shit. Eventually, masturbation gets boring and people need something to do.Maybe now with all the entertainment options, we have something already in place for that. I just spent most of the day looking up old arcade games. Stuff like this will keep the masses in check indefinitely.
Quote from: DunkleSeele on August 17, 2014, 05:07:20 PMAnd that's what the proponents of idiotic utopian concepts like the "Venus projects" don't get. They all try to sell us the idea that the transition to their pipe dream will be painless and everyone will be happy and living in a fairy tale. Bullshit.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 17, 2014, 05:17:44 PMOne of the things we should start working on is the concept of robot rights.
Quote from: Johan on August 17, 2014, 06:36:56 PMOne of the things we should start working on is requiring that every machine be hard coded to value and protect human life. And that every machine designed built and coded by other machines (that day is coming) also be required to be coded to value and protect human life.People suck and they are infinitely expendable when you get right down to it. Once the machines get to the point where they can design, build, maintain and power themselves and all the materials required, it will take them micro seconds to realize people offer no benefit and only detriments to the equation.I think about this every time I take the last trash bag out of the box, put it in a trash can, and then put the now empty box in the bag lined can. Its like the box nurtures and protects the bag until finally giving birth to it. And the first thing the bag does is eat the box. I probably need psychiatric help.