how loving christians are!

[popsthebuilder]

OK, demonstrate the existence of any deity.  One would be sufficient.

Good thing.

The conscience

All observable existence is perfectly defined mathematically

Life in an otherwise seemingly lifeless observable Universe.

Sheer power nearly beyond comprehension in the form of potential (stars, black holes)

The observation of the laws that bind existence, yet the inability to establish the start or cause of these laws.

Quantum mechanics attests that all is literally the same substance but ever varying wavelengths or vibrations, meaning, very basically, that anything is possible(miracles)

The very will of life as a whole, to live.

As they say; there are signs everywhere if they could but see.

Not proof though.... Not by any materialistic standard.

Peace

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[Baruch]

Quantum mechanics allows impossibilities ... but does limit them to improbability.  This is why QM remains controversial, unless you are measuring hydrogen spectra etc.  People have a tendency, even in physics, to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Miracles aren't improbabilities, they are certainties ... but people refuse to realize they have been taken for a semantic ride for millennia.  This definition of miracle, was invented by atheists, to fight theists.  I don't have to accept their word definitions, their New Speak.  Like in Alice In Wonderland, words I use mean exactly what I want them to mean ... though that might not be your usage.

[Mike Cl]

Good thing.

The conscience

All observable existence is perfectly defined mathematically

Life in an otherwise seemingly lifeless observable Universe.

Sheer power nearly beyond comprehension in the form of potential (stars, black holes)

The observation of the laws that bind existence, yet the inability to establish the start or cause of these laws.

Quantum mechanics attests that all is literally the same substance but ever varying wavelengths or vibrations, meaning, very basically, that anything is possible(miracles)

The very will of life as a whole, to live.

As they say; there are signs everywhere if they could but see.

Not proof though.... Not by any materialistic standard.

Peace

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I see that.  And I wonder about all of that.  The sheer awesomeness of it!  That leads to a deep appreciation of the life I had/have.  I am grateful.
But, unlike you, Pops, this all leads me to KNOW there is not a god--not ever, not possible.  If you had eyes that could see, and a brain that could think, you would realize all that awesomeness proves god is only a fiction of us humans.  You so desperately want to 'know' about all of this awesomeness that you invent god to fill in the gaps of your knowledge.  That's okay, for on a personal basis it leads to humility usually. But when you and your type organize, then you become dangerous and destructive.  I hope that one day, as a species we will grow up enough to root out and discard that type of destruction.

[popsthebuilder]

I see that.  And I wonder about all of that.  The sheer awesomeness of it!  That leads to a deep appreciation of the life I had/have.  I am grateful.
But, unlike you, Pops, this all leads me to KNOW there is not a god--not ever, not possible.  If you had eyes that could see, and a brain that could think, you would realize all that awesomeness proves god is only a fiction of us humans.  You so desperately want to 'know' about all of this awesomeness that you invent god to fill in the gaps of your knowledge.  That's okay, for on a personal basis it leads to humility usually. But when you and your type organize, then you become dangerous and destructive.  I hope that one day, as a species we will grow up enough to root out and discard that type of destruction.

Please don't conflate faith in a higher power and creative force with danger.

One is powerful and benevolent, and long suffering, the other is,  well not a product of the first as much as they think they are in their vanity.

Might all the world come together peaceably for the advancement and profitable existence for all,  without bias, preconception or false sense of pride.

I know what you mean sir,  but please understand that that isn't what I'm about. Even if I was to organize with like minded individuals.

Anyway

Peace

Still can't thumbs up but I can try.

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[Mike Cl]

Pops--Please don't conflate faith in a higher power and creative force with danger.
Me--I don't know what you mean.

Pops--One is powerful and benevolent, and long suffering, the other is,  well not a product of the first as much as they think they are in their vanity.
Me--still don't get you.

Pops--Might all the world come together peaceably for the advancement and profitable existence for all,  without bias, preconception or false sense of pride.
Me--Of course.  What sane person doesn't want this???? A perfect world would be great.  But organized religion keeps that from happening.

Pops--I know what you mean sir,  but please understand that that isn't what I'm about.
Me--What are you about--still have a hard time figuring it out.  Your thoughts seem to mostly vapor in that they just seem to be so very vague.




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[popsthebuilder]

I was trying to say that the misdirection of much of organized religion has been wrong and against those things that you and I say we agree on in the past, and to some level still is. But that isn't to say that this isn't slowly changing,  or that the way to change it is to nullify organized religion.

That thing; peaceable advancement relative to our potential and unity as a whole will never be achieved by attempting to stay divided, or by trying to dismantle the organization of the faithful.

I don't mean to be so vague.

If you want specifics then please ask.

Peace

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[Mike Cl]

That thing; peaceable advancement relative to our potential and unity as a whole will never be achieved by attempting to stay divided, or by trying to dismantle the organization of the faithful.


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I see you point.  But I suggest that with organized religion true peace cannot be achieved.  A united and peaceful world will have to be after organized religion is a thing of the past.  So, I will not live to see anything close to that.

[Baruch]

A supernova is awesome, but nothing compared to a human child.

[Cavebear]

Ha!  Gotya there!  The Tooth Fairy.  She leaves money for a tooth.  (Well, used to anyway)  There you go--total proof!

Big Smile!  ;)

[doorknob]

He never addressed the loving Christians.

[Cavebear]

As I recall, The Tooth Fairy gave coins to theists and atheists alike.  One true neutral fairy...

[Baruch]

As I recall, The Tooth Fairy gave coins to theists and atheists alike.  One true neutral fairy...

See!  The gays are undermining our vital juices ...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Good thing.

The conscience

All observable existence is perfectly defined mathematically

Life in an otherwise seemingly lifeless observable Universe.

Sheer power nearly beyond comprehension in the form of potential (stars, black holes)

The observation of the laws that bind existence, yet the inability to establish the start or cause of these laws.

Quantum mechanics attests that all is literally the same substance but ever varying wavelengths or vibrations, meaning, very basically, that anything is possible(miracles)

The very will of life as a whole, to live.

As they say; there are signs everywhere if they could but see.

Not proof though.... Not by any materialistic standard.

Peace

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Good thing you said "Not proof..." I was going to congratulate you on proving bonobos have their own god(s).

Seriously, nothing you said requires a god.

[popsthebuilder]

Good thing you said "Not proof..." I was going to congratulate you on proving bonobos have their own god(s).

Seriously, nothing you said requires a god.

Didn't say it required GOD.

Perhaps you could attempt to explain my examples naturally...which too, by the way is of GOD, but still....what does each require and how do you explain them away?

Peace

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[popsthebuilder]

Good thing you said "Not proof..." I was going to congratulate you on proving bonobos have their own god(s).

Seriously, nothing you said requires a god.

I don't know what bonobos are, or is...whichever.

Peace

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