Started by Brian37, February 14, 2013, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: "buttfinger"The need to go to Laos to kill a tiger is not indicative of responsible hunting. Very rarely is anything but the pelt harvested. But E disagree about the level of fanaticism involved. Hunters, even unscrupulous ones, don't shun education and they certainly don't meet 5 times a week to discuss how to be more effective at it, nor do they do it daily and record the amount of time spent doing it, turn in these time records and use it as a basis for looking down on others who don't hunt enough. Hunters also don't excommunicate people for hunting differently than they do.
Quote from: "buttfinger"Quote from: "SGOS"But sport hunting it is not about gun control, just as gun control is not about taking away hunting rifles. The NRA and hunting are not the same thing.Sure it is. A .223 is a legitimate hunting rifle, despite protests from Piers Morgan, et. al. When they take away small caliber rifles and mass shootings stop being 3 small bullets in one victim and start being one large bullet through 3 victims, what are they going to ban next? In fact, every criterion for something being an "assault rifle" (I use the quotation marks because an actual assault rifle needs to be fully automatic or bust-fire, and are already illegal) is cosmetic.
Quote from: "SGOS"But sport hunting it is not about gun control, just as gun control is not about taking away hunting rifles. The NRA and hunting are not the same thing.
Quote from: "Mathias"worse, have a feeling of exhilaration when hunting prey.
Quote from: "SGOS"Nor am I impressed by slippery slope arguments advanced by the NRA.
Quote from: "stromboli".223 is not optimum for a mule deer, possibly for a white tail.
QuoteBut we are talking assault rifles, high capacity magazines designed for one purpose- to kill people.
QuoteI read the 2nd amendment- it doesn't say assault rifle anywhere, trust me.
QuoteAssault rifles are not the best choice for hunting weapons. Making the claim that they are hunting weapons is frankly a weak one.
Quotethe focus should be as much or more on the mental health side- we have a very poor record of mental health care. A sophisticated mental health screening process, more strictly enforced background checks and other ways to screen potential wackos should happen as part of the process.
Quote from: "Mathias"It's easier to say that I believe in god than killing an animal for hobby. I'll never understand you, americans ...
Quote from: "Brian37"Quote from: "Mathias"I think there's nothing more banal and involuted that shoot a living creature for fun, except aliens, zombies and matchbox. I Would be proud to be on this listI think hunting is a part of our evolutionary experience in finding resources. It makes less sense now that technology and farming allow us to raise animals without hunting them. But if these hunters insist on it, just don't call it a sport, sports have level neutral rules and fields of play both sides have the opportunity to use. Hunting is not a sport, it is a trap, it is a trick. So if people hunt, eat it, kill it quickly and as painlessly as possible and don't call it a sport.But yea I agree, a grown man or women who thinks they are cleaver tricking an unarmed animal knowing the animal doesn't have the same ability, why would you get joy out of that? That would be like a jock bully beating up a nerd to show off to the other jocks. It is just a childish form of narcissism.
Quote from: "Mathias"I think there's nothing more banal and involuted that shoot a living creature for fun, except aliens, zombies and matchbox. I Would be proud to be on this list
Quote from: "Mathias"buttfinger,I agree with the second part of your arguments. Regarding the first, the animals do not need the man for kill old and/or sick animals. because there are several younger males, predators and nature disasters that do that. Instead using rifles and traps, cravenly appealing to the best instrument for adaptation in this planet, the intelligence.Taking off the cultural part that perseveres in the habit of hunting, I still think an involuted act. Anyone "infected" by civilization should have aversion to hunt for fun.
Quote from: "stromboli"I read the 2nd amendment- it doesn't say assault rifle anywhere, trust me. Assault rifles are not the best choice for hunting weapons. Making the claim that they are hunting weapons is frankly a weak one.
Quote from: "asshat"Quote from: "stromboli"I read the 2nd amendment- it doesn't say assault rifle anywhere, trust me. Assault rifles are not the best choice for hunting weapons. Making the claim that they are hunting weapons is frankly a weak one.You are ver incorrect in this Stromboli. It may not mention "assault" rifles by name, but it does."A well regulated militia, neccessarry for a free state, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed."Lets break this down. What constitutes a well regulated militia? People that own firearms that they can use to defend themselves, family, land, and country in the event of an attack on your person or freedoms. In this day in age the best thing to use would be the AR-15 and like weapons. The constitution does not grant rights, it protects the natural rights you have a human being, take away the second amendment and the rest are soon to follow. What does infringment mean? in·fringe /in?frinj/Verb1.Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".2.Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".Look at the bolded definition. They are limiting our rights to own certain guns. Now don't go trying to make that same cockamamy argument "So why don't you just buy a tank". I don't want one, nor do I want to be freely able to own a machine gun. I think we have certain laws that very good that need to be enforced. I do however want the ability to protect my family. If you don't want a gun, fine don't buy one, I however will own every gun that I deem suitable for me.Also, this crap isn't about trying to limit what we can have, it's Feinstein once again testing the waters to see just how far she can go until she can get rid of all guns. Don't believe me?[youtubehd:2oxie16f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s[/youtubehd:2oxie16f]