Is The Vatican An Evil Organization?

[stromboli]

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/catholics.php

Read the article. the picture speaks for itself.

[Mike Cl]

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/catholics.php

Read the article. the picture speaks for itself.

To answer the OP's question---Yes!!

[stromboli]

Catholic Fascist Argentina

The Nazis smuggled into Argentina by the Vatican were welcomed with open arms by Argentina's Catholics. Argentina had been an ardent supporter or Nazi Germany but officially remained neutral throughout the war and then officially joined the allied side just as the war was ending as a PR stunt to help protect the Nazi war criminals it would host.

As a result of the Catholic fascist influence, Argentina became an oppressive country that tortured and murdered anyone suspected of being subversive or possibly opposed to the government or the Church.

Just like in Croatia, the Church was deeply involved in the crimes against humanity. Catholic priests actively worked inside the military, worked as intelligence agents and approved the crimes.

Journalist Horace Verbitsky published a book on the Catholic Church’s involvement with the military dictatorship. In his book, El Silencio (The Silence), he details how the Catholic Church actively participated in the 1976-1983 dictatorship that murdered over 30,000 people.

Marine captain Adolfo Scilingo who was convicted by a Spanish court and sentenced to 645 years testified that that the Catholic hierarchy approved drugging dissidents, slicing open their bellies and dropping them from planes into the Atlantic Ocean during the “flights of death" as a Christian form of death. It is hard for even ardent Catholics to imagine Jesus torturing people, gutting them and throwing them alive out of airplanes over the ocean because they might oppose a brutal military dictatorship.



Catholic Chaplin Christian Von Wernich officially worked inside torture centers to encourage prisoners to tell all they knew during torture sessions and then 'counseled' the victim's family members in an effort to obtain further information about the accused associates, so that more people could be tortured and murdered.



As investigators closed in on Von Wernich, the Vatican continued its participation in the crimes by relocating Von Wernich to a church in El Quisco, Chile in 1996 and even gave him a new identity of "Christian González" to help him evade arrest.

Von Wernich was eventually apprehended, tried and convicted for involvement in 7 murders, 42 abductions and 31 cases of torture. He was given a life sentence. No church officials have not been indicted for their roles.

Archbishop Paraná Adolfo Tortolo and Monsignor Victorio Bonamín at the Catholic Church’s Vicariato Castrense headquarters both actively supported and blessed the military's actions. Without their approval it is likely that some restraint would be been exercised and thousands of lives saved. Both acted under direct authority of the Vatican.

Human rights representatives have demanded that the Catholic Church issue an apology for the many victims but the Church has refused and continues efforts to conceal its role and shield its henchmen from justice.

[stromboli]

Bedtime. Be back tomorrow.

[Baruch]

One might forget, that the Church might stoop to anything, to destroy communism.  They were quite afraid of it from 1917 - 1991.  Mussolini was their chosen instrument, Hitler wasn't supposed to take center stage, in building the new Roman Empire.

[gentle_dissident]

Organized fascism and religion against those dirty hippies. It always happens. Some people are party poopers.

[Baruch]

Organized fascism and religion against those dirty hippies. It always happens. Some people are party poopers.

But I like poopin' on the Nazi party ;-)

[gentle_dissident]

But I like poopin' on the Nazi party ;-)

I think there's a rule that a gif exists for that.

[Shiranu]

I don't necessarily know if I buy moralistic and pluralistic, "Good/bad" bullshit anymore... but my definition of what is right and what is wrong, I think the Roman Catholic church does commit at an alarming rate "bad" acts. I do not think it's core purpose and principles are evil, I just think it is an organization that is run by ignorant men who think they are doing the right thing without ever thinking about if they are doing the right thing.

[gentle_dissident]

I do not think it's core purpose and principles are evil, I just think it is an organization that is run by ignorant men who think they are doing the right thing without ever thinking about if they are doing the right thing.

The leadership seems to be the hub. The only good that gets done is by its god fearing machinery. Nothing wrong with serving at the soup line.

[Mike Cl]

I don't necessarily know if I buy moralistic and pluralistic, "Good/bad" bullshit anymore... but my definition of what is right and what is wrong, I think the Roman Catholic church does commit at an alarming rate "bad" acts. I do not think it's core purpose and principles are evil, I just think it is an organization that is run by ignorant men who think they are doing the right thing without ever thinking about if they are doing the right thing.

What is the core purpose and principles of the church?  This organization is so huge, so wealthy, that ignorant men cannot be running it.  They were never stupid people.  They knew what they were doing and how to do it.  They are in the people control business.  Mix in some truth with the lies; mix in some good deeds with the fleecing of the flock; mix in some principled acts with the true principle of gathering power and money.  This is how I see it.  The followers, the flock are ignorant and willfully so.  The leaders of the hierarchy is not ignorant.  They are cunning.  That's how I see it.

[marom1963]

There are good and decent priests and nuns and monks and friars. I will not say that there are not. Many of these people are innocent of any crime and do mean well and do do good works. However, as one moves up the ladder and gets closer to the power and the money, one gets closer to the filth that has characterized the organization's history. By time one gets to the Curia, one might as well be sitting in w/one of the 5 Families. You are talking about politicians. A politician is a scumbag who's so deceitful that he can't ask for water when he's thirsty. He's got to trick you into giving it to him. Otherwise, he'd not be able to swallow it.

[Shiranu]

What is the core purpose and principles of the church?  This organization is so huge, so wealthy, that ignorant men cannot be running it.  They were never stupid people.  They knew what they were doing and how to do it.  They are in the people control business.  Mix in some truth with the lies; mix in some good deeds with the fleecing of the flock; mix in some principled acts with the true principle of gathering power and money.  This is how I see it.  The followers, the flock are ignorant and willfully so.  The leaders of the hierarchy is not ignorant.  They are cunning.  That's how I see it.

I just really do believe that people can have a huge disconnect between their actions and their morals and don't realise they are doing the wrong thing... and that is not just in religion, but in any aspect of life. I am 100% certain many of the Catholic hierarchy are just corrupt jackasses, but I just cant believe that in an organization of so many "true believers", that the top of the totem pole is not predominately true believers who get caught up in a bad sort of life and just go along with the status quo.

I suppose it's kinda like when a crowd sees someone in need of help... they all just stand around and do nothing.

[Shiranu]

There are good and decent priests and nuns and monks and friars. I will not say that there are not. Many of these people are innocent of any crime and do mean well and do do good works. However, as one moves up the ladder and gets closer to the power and the money, one gets closer to the filth that has characterized the organization's history. By time one gets to the Curia, one might as well be sitting in w/one of the 5 Families. You are talking about politicians. A politician is a scumbag who's so deceitful that he can't ask for water when he's thirsty. He's got to trick you into giving it to him. Otherwise, he'd not be able to swallow it.

No, yeah I completely agree with this... but I don't think getting caught up in the political life makes "you" a bad person anymore than anyone else in any given profession that exploits other people. The vast majority of employed exploiters seem to be human just like you and me, they just manage to create a cognitive disconnect between their work actions and "their" actions.

[gentle_dissident]

This thread needs a Portman Break
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTBO5ksaT2w