Refugee crisis? What refugee crisis?

[pr126]

Are you thinking of a sovereign autonomous state? A country?
Like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, etc? then no, Palestine is not like this.

For now, it is called the The Palestinian Territories.
They have been offered to become a state, and rejected it. Why? Because they want Israel as well.

But the people there are all Arabs originated from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc.
They became "Palestinians" after the 6 Day war. 
Yasser Arafat, who was an Egyptian, suddenly became a Palestinian.

The West Bank was Annexed by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip was controlled  by Egypt in the past.

[PopeyesPappy]

Again from your OP. "Up to 1973 the Palestinians had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." It doesn't matter if you call it a state, nation or territory. It doesn't matter what it is now or was in the past. The concept of an autonomous Palestinian whatever was formally expressed decades before the 1970s. 

[Baruch]

I agree that your statement is irrelevant. Whether or not the Israelis and Palestinians are street gangs is irrelevant to when the idea of a Palestinian state was first floated.

I would support Britain conquering the Middle East, and kicking the Israelis and Palestinians out ... maybe Germany would take them ;-)  Any nations claims for statehood ... are thuggery.  Be the biggest thug, or be someone's bitch.  Or wait for the UN to save you ... bwahaha.

[Baruch]

Again from your OP. "Up to 1973 the Palestinians had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." It doesn't matter if you call it a state, nation or territory. It doesn't matter what it is now or was in the past. The concept of an autonomous Palestinian whatever was formally expressed decades before the 1970s.

Get it accurate though ... in a way, both of you are wrong.  There were centrifugal political forces in the Ottoman Empire in 1900.  The Young Turks were going to deal with this, by killing all the Armenians, Greeks, Jews and Arabs.  This created movements (most famously in the Hejaz) to free themselves from eventual Turkish genocide.  The British helped the Arabs fight the Turks, so they were saved.  The Armenians and Greeks didn't run fast enough, but the Greeks were near the Aegean, just like the current Arab refugees, and got a boat lift.  The Jews understood that they would be exterminated by the Turks, and repressed by the victorious Arabs ... so they sided with the Entente (normally they would have sided with the Turks, but were led by the eventual founder of Likud).  So there could have been, a free Palestine circa 1914-1920 if the Turks and Entente would have allowed it.  Anglo-French colonialism prevailed however, screwing the Turks, the Arabs, the Kurds, and the Jews.  So yes, technically there would have been a Muslim Palestine-Jordan in 1919.  Just as there was supposed to be a Muslim Kurdistan in 1919.  There was supposed to be a Muslim Syria-Lebanon too.

Israeli myth and Arab myth both ignore the facts.  If Palestine-Jordan had been powerful enough to kick out the British in 1919 ... the Balfour Declaration would have been moot.  At that point the number of Jewish immigrants was insignificant.  But the British colonizers chose to play Arab against Jew and Cis-Jordan against Trans-Jordan.  That and the Rothschilds were involved, long before 1914.

So no, nobody has ownership of any land, except they can use force to keep it.  There are no property rights, anywhere.

[josephpalazzo]

Again from your OP. "Up to 1973 the Palestinians had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist." It doesn't matter if you call it a state, nation or territory. It doesn't matter what it is now or was in the past. The concept of an autonomous Palestinian whatever was formally expressed decades before the 1970s. 

The notion of nation came very late in that region. Prior to WW1, it was divided into administrative regions under the Ottoman empire, and those had boundaries that fluctuated over times. When the Europeans carved up the Ottoman empire, they also did it very much in a very arbitrary way. No one thought of themselves as Iraqis, for instance. That came along much later. Similarly, in Palestine, which was a region, became the hot disputed land between the Jews and the Arabs. When the UN resolution came about, the Arabs rejected, as they rejected any claim by the Jews to a state. Many of them were looking at the king of Jordan (Transjordan in those days) to take the whole land for the Arabs. It was much later, that these Arabs formed the identity that they have now as Palestinians. Of course, there are those who claim otherwise as they feel the Jews claim to the land is false. But both Jews and Arabs formed their identity much later in the 20th century. Claims going back to biblical times are just ridiculous.

[pr126]

Palestine

Over recorded history, there have been many names of the Levant, a large area in the Middle East. These names have applied to a part or the whole of the Levant. On occasion, two or more of these names have been used at the same time by different cultures or sects. As a natural result, some of the names of the Levant are highly politically charged. Perhaps the least politicized name is Levant itself, which simply means "where the sun rises" or "where the land rises out of the sea", a meaning attributed to the region's easterly location on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea.

Palestine derives from Philistia and its Philistine people, first recorded by the ancient Egyptians as a member of the invading Sea Peoples or Peleset. Though applied in the Bible only to the southwest coast where the Philistines lived, later Herodotus called the whole area "Syria PalaistinÄ"" in his Histories (c. 450 BCE). The Romans used the similar term Syria Palaestina to refer to the southern part of the region from 135 CE following the Bar Kokhba revolt to complete the disassociation with Judaea. The name was carried on as a province name by the Byzantines and Arabs. However, after Greek times it is usually reserved for only the southern portion of the Levant.

†As a side note, Standard Hebrew has two names for Palestine, both of which are different from the Hebrew name for ancient Philistia. The first name Palestina was used by Hebrew speakers in the British Mandate of Palestine; it is spelled like the name for Philistia but with three more letters added to the end and a Latin pronunciation given. The second name Falastin is a direct loan from the Arabic form, and is used today specifically to refer to the modern Palestinians and to political aspirations for a Palestinian state.

Note: there is no letter P in the Arabic language.


Incidentally, the OP was about how Europe became the clearing house of Muslim "refugees", but it has completely derailed into the "Palestinian problem".