Marxism 101: Socialism and Communism

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I mean I can get behind communism to some extent. It's just unfortunate that so many communists follow the religion of identity politics and would call for a communist state which kills any dissenters. For example go check out the communism or socialism subreddits. These people think anyone with a different opinion on social matters should be censored at best and outright killed at worst. The communism they would create would fail in the same way all previous tries at communism failed. They'd produce fascism.

Alot to unpack there.  Most Commies I know don't get caught up ID politics.  Most States incarcerate or kill dissenters if they become a threat to the State, or The People.  CONINTELPRO v Black Panthers--I rest my case.  TONS of censorship in the good ol' USA:  NSA, I rest my case again.

So-Comm doesn't fail.  There are plenty of evidentiary vids on the subject, but people dont watch vids 'round here, so I'm told.  Like religionists, they just rely on their opinion.

So-Comm and fascism, I repeat, are antithetic.  If a State becomes fascist, then it is fascist, it's not So-Comm anymore.

Hey, did you hear where Rebby the Rebel Hunting Dawg got busted at the protest march?  Yeah, they charged him with engaging in di-SCENT! 

Okie dokie artichokie.  ;)

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Of course it does.  WW I and its continuation, WW II ... all have to do with the Vatican.  Do does the Cold War.  Do you think this has ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union?  This is all about the restoration of monarchism and absolutism, as envisaged circa 1900.  Remember, nobody expects ... duh, duh ... duh ... the Spanish Inquisition!  As someone who has cohabited with the enemy, formerly being married to a former nun ... I can speak with some experience.

I'd like to hear more about the bolded.

Nun, in "The Young Pope".

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Seriously, those kids need to learn how to fight better:

[Hydra009]

Most States incarcerate or kill dissenters if they become a threat to the State, or The People.

He was referring to killing dissenters.  It'd take a pretty warped person to seriously claim that it's ethically justified to kill dissenters merely for dissenting.

TONS of censorship in the good ol' USA

That's true.  But it's pretty minor compared to China, let alone North Korea.

So-Comm doesn't fail.  There are plenty of evidentiary vids on the subject, but people dont watch vids 'round here, so I'm told.  Like religionists, they just rely on their opinion.

That's not--- *sigh*

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He was referring to killing dissenters.  It'd take a pretty warped person to seriously claim that it's ethically justified to kill dissenters merely for dissenting.
That's true.  But it's pretty minor compared to China, let alone North Korea.
That's not--- *sigh*

COINTELPRO brutally killed and imprisoned about all the Panther leadership, that is FACT.  Why?  Because the Panthers were Marxists and Maoists, and they had guns, lots of them.  2nd Amendment, right?(The Panthers are back, BTW).  And before that, CONINTELPRO was the program busting "commies" in general in the USA rrom the mid 30s on--"Red Scare", "McCartheyism", remember?  And so much for the 1st Amendment.

What about Jim Crow Laws for 70 odd years?  Shall I go on?  Tell you what, just go down Main St USA waving a Soviet flag or a Mao/Marx/Lenin/Che Guevara flag and see how far that gets you.  "Patriots" themselves will kick your ass, they dont need the State.  "Patriots" defend the capitalistic system that is f'ing them--isn't propaganda a beautiful thing?  Let The People do your work for you(the State).

Also, no, the NSA and all the related police state agencies of the USA  FAR exceed what the DPRK and China, or any other regime in history has ever even dreamed of.

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Communism and American Libertarianism are polar opposites, the latter being extreme, unregulated capitalism.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to address people who disagree with you. In a communist society, how do you intend to deal with the problems of social loafing and the tragedy of the commons? And yes, you and libertarians are flip sides of the same coin because you are both trying to achieve the same thing: A stateless society. The only difference is the means of getting there.

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If you want to be taken seriously, you need to address people who disagree with you. In a communist society, how do you intend to deal with the problems of social loafing and tragedy of the commons? And yes, you and libertarians are flip sides of the same coin and you are both trying to achieve the same thing: A stateless society. The only difference is the means of getting there.

I kind of have been addressing people, 'case you hadn't noticed.  Of course, THEY never provide any evidence to support their opinions.  Naw, you're absolutely full of shit re Libertarianism and Communism, you dont know what you are talking about. They are polar opposites, PERIOD.  Read a book on the subject.

And your "loafing" argument is bogus too.  I dont have the interest to break it down for you, since you are set on your US manufactured opinion anyway.  There're no loafers in the USA or Western Europe, right?  Do stock dividend hoarders loaf?  Yeah, thats about all they do.  $ for nothing, sitting on their asses all day.

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I kind of have been addressing people, 'case you hadn't noticed.  Of course, THEY never provide any evidence to support their opinions.  Naw, you're full of shit re Libertarianism and Communism, you dont know what you are talking about.  And your "loafing" argument is bogus too.  I dont have the interest to break it down for you, since you are set on your US manufactured opinion anyway.  There're no loafers in the USA or Western Europe, right?  Do stock dividend hoarders loaf?  Yeah, thats about all they do.  $ for nothing.

Ok then. Just like the libertarians, I will no longer take you seriously. Have fun.

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Ok then. Just like the libertarians, I will no longer take you seriously. Have fun.

Good, stay off this thread.

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For the hard-of-thinking, Modern American Libertarianism is NOT Communism:

Modern American Libertarianism

By around the start of the 20th century H. L. Mencken and Albert Jay Nock were the first prominent figures in the United States to describe themselves as libertarians...they believed Franklin D. Roosevelt had co-opted the word liberal for his New Deal policies, which they opposed, and used libertarian to signify their allegiance to individualism.[citation needed] In 1914, Nock joined the staff of The Nation magazine, which at the time was supportive of liberal capitalism.

Executive Vice-President of the Cato Institute, David Boaz, writes "In 1943, at one of the lowest points for liberty and humanity in history, three remarkable women published books that could be said to have given birth to the modern libertarian movement."....Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead...promoted individualism and capitalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Modern_American_libertarianism

"Individualism" is another big fat propaganda LIE.  There ARE no "individuals":  human beings are SOCIAL MAMMALS.

[Hydra009]

For the hard-of-thinking, Modern American Libertarianism is NOT Communism

Did anyone say it was?   

"Individualism" is another big fat propaganda LIE.  There ARE no "individuals"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww

[Hydra009]

Tell you what, just go down Main St USA waving a Soviet flag or a Mao/Marx/Lenin/Che Guevara flag and see how far that gets you.  "Patriots" themselves will kick your ass

Ummm...that's not actually true.







By and large, these protests neither initiate nor are on the receiving end of violence.  Freedom of speech and association is something we take very seriously here.

[etienne]

Ummm...that's not actually true.







By and large, these protests neither initiate nor are on the receiving end of violence.  Freedom of speech and association is something we take very seriously here.

Go do that in rural Alabama(Trumpland) with no police protection.

[Hydra009]

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The KKK is Anti-Communist

Birmingham...The head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, appeared more concerned about Communist links to civil rights activists than about controlling Klan excesses against citizens. In 1964, the FBI's COINTELPRO program began attempts to infiltrate and disrupt civil rights groups.

Massacre of Communist Workers Party protesters

On November 3, 1979, five communist protesters were killed by KKK and American Nazi Party members in Greensboro, North Carolina in what is known as the Greensboro massacre.  The Communist Workers Party had sponsored a rally against the Klan in an effort to organize predominantly black industrial workers in the area.  Klan members drove up with arms in their car trunks, and attacked marchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Massacre_of_Communist_Workers_Party_protesters