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A New Socrates

Started by Absurd Atheist, November 04, 2016, 12:54:59 AM

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Eugeny Anatolievich

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 08, 2016, 10:58:53 PM
How would you define "beauty"?
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.

Baruch

Quote from: Eugeny Anatolievich on November 09, 2016, 04:08:49 PM
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.

That is how experts assess a Bach fugue.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on November 08, 2016, 11:21:03 PM
I would say that at least some "likes" are honest and legitimate.  I would never give a "like" to gain favor or ingratiate myself.  An honest person simply never gives a "like" when they don't think one is deserved.  Some people do, though.  Sad.

As the gruppen-fuhrer of the Like button, you can pre-crime anyone who wants to "like" a post ... that you disagree with?  I have never given an undeserved like ... even one's I give you ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Eugeny Anatolievich on November 09, 2016, 03:55:30 PM
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.

Nazdrovye!  You aren't missing much.

Oprah-so sorry for your hurt feelings
Walmart-buy more Chinese products
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Unbeliever

Quote from: SGOS on November 06, 2016, 06:20:46 PM
I just gave aitm a like to piss him off.   :2thumbs:

Yeah, me too! Better pissed off than pissed on, I (and apparently this other guy) always say...


God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Baruch

You can die on your knees ... if you give good head ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Unbeliever

Quote from: Baruch on November 10, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
You can die on your knees ... if you give good head ;-)

What, there's such a thing as bad head!?
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Absurd Atheist

Quote from: Eugeny Anatolievich on November 09, 2016, 04:08:49 PM
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.

How do we define what is unnecessary and inadvisable? Those seem very subjective and relative to the needs and wants of the time. Might explain why beauty standards are so starkly different through history.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Cavebear

Quote from: Eugeny Anatolievich on November 09, 2016, 03:55:30 PM
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.

In Russia, they claim to have invented both Oprah and Walmart.  ;)
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 10, 2016, 10:42:23 PM
How do we define what is unnecessary and inadvisable? Those seem very subjective and relative to the needs and wants of the time. Might explain why beauty standards are so starkly different through history.

Great art is like porn ... you can't define it, but you know it when you see it (hear it).
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Sal1981

Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2016, 09:17:25 AM
Great art is like porn ... you can't define it, but you know it when you see it (hear it).
Mix the two.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Baruch

Quote from: Sal1981 on November 11, 2016, 01:02:25 PM
Mix the two.

That defines the avant guarde.  Guernica is porn to me.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Duncle

A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.

Absurd Atheist

Quote from: Duncle on November 12, 2016, 05:55:35 AM
A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.

Marx dreamed of utopia but horrendously missed the mark, but he certainly did change the world. Imagine if a figure could harness said power for a positive end? Also, I don't know how Socrates like methods would apply to a written political philosophy. I feel like that would almost contradict everything he purportedly stood for.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Cavebear

Quote from: Duncle on November 12, 2016, 05:55:35 AM
A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

I have yet to read a dedicated philosopher who wasn't essentially a maundering blowhard.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!