Started by pumita92, April 03, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: aitm on April 06, 2021, 01:00:06 PMItâ€™s certainly easy to sit in your room with a hit of lsd bouncing around your brain, smelling incense, looking a the fan go round and round as if my magic, staring at a picture of the cosmos, imagining you are one with it, feeling love and dissipating hate and fear, and feeling the energy of the cosmos vibrating in your loins. But, at some time, you have to leave the room, rejoin the real world, go to work, if you even have a job, deal with people...but please share your idyllic thoughts with them all day, constantly remind them of their anger and hatred, preach love all day....but by all means...send us the video...LOL. ðŸ¤£
Quote from: Cassia on April 06, 2021, 10:45:51 AMYeah, right? there is no balance, no dark side, no ying and yang. Just happy, happy, happy !!!Well I embrace the darkness, I revel in it. I own the pain and rejoice in how life ends and thus has worth. The creatures that consume each other in a deadly dance all day and all night, the bacteria that infects the wound, even the mindless sheep (nuff said) are all part of this shit show. I love it all. You SEE. Sorry, but not everybody can be a half wit.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on April 07, 2021, 05:55:37 AMLSD is a very potent hallucinogen. Even in very small doses it can alter adult human brain profoundly. It creates changes in personality that can last years. You said you took 3 hits at 17. As your experince was a 'positive' one, you probably took more and still doing. LSD creates a dissolution of ego, reduces fear and enhances emotional empathy. This is why people who use this drug and get good trips feel like they have just hugged the universe and everything in it, feeling a great loooove. And percieve everything from a very distorted point of view. They feel like they have become one with everything. It is one big hallucination. And a very powerful one. A lot of people also get terrifying bad trips. If the state of mind created by this drug was really about opening a door to a high consciousness that exists, it would be the objective result. There wouldn't be bad trips. But that is not the case. Because it is not about some high level of consciousness or reality, it is about your altered mind. There are good, solid reasons why evolution equipped us with these unpleasant feelings of fear, guilt, pain, anger and gave us that annoying thing called ego. Or rather that's how we have survived.Long story short, you have brain damage. You live in a severe subjective reality. Ideally, you should seek help. But I don't think you can comprehend that right now.A friendly advice. Your sense of fear is probably impaired, your self awareness is distorted and you have difficulty understanding boundaries. It is ok via internet, but you should stop pestering people about this stuff obssessively in real life. Otherwise, you'd put yourself in danger.
QuoteThe next time you face a frustrating problem in your life, just watch the difference. Most of us will engage with the problem from a place of frustration and end up making it worse. Does this sound like you? In relationships and such? Everything you touch turns to dust kind of thing?
Quote from: Cassia on April 07, 2021, 08:59:01 AMYou presume a lot. I evaluate problems and outcomes in terms of probabilities and make decisions based on the best data I can obtain. This has served me well. I even found a partner with the same exact ideas and philosophy. There is no wishful thinking, praying for supernatural intervention, or taking mind altering chemicals. There is appreciation of science, all the arts, nature, history, beauty, and reality. There is no sin. There is sorrow and sadness at times and it makes the good times even sweeter.You will turn to dust as will everything you touch. Sorry, it's the arrow of time. You can't "think" entropy away. Doesn't mean you have to be all depressed or in denial.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 07, 2021, 09:09:22 AMPumita, this is for you from a great insightful poet: Kahlil GibranThen a woman said, Speak to us of Joy and Sorrow.And he answered:Your joy is your sorrow unmasked.And the selfsame well from which your laughter rises was oftentimes filled with your tears.And how else can it be?The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you cancontain.Is not the cup that holds your wine the very cup that was burned in the potterâ€™s oven?And is not the lute that soothes your spirit, the very wood that was hollowed with knives?When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy.When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 07, 2021, 06:35:50 PMHm... What does this mean to you, Mike? Are you alluding to the notion that we need to feel pain in order to feel joy? Because that's not true. It only LOOKS true from a particular level of consciousness. And not a good one, believe me.According to duality, in order to experience satisfaction, you must experience dissatisfaction. Riddle me this, how much of your life have you spend dissatisfied? And how much satisfied? What's the proportion there?Again, I'm not attacking you. I'm merely inviting you to see in a way that will bring more love and freedom into your life. I am asking nothing in return. If somehow in this in this conversation you realized you could live your life with a deeper, more lasting, and more present sense of joy, wouldn't that be something worth listening to?I know you're used to conversing with debate. But some things just can't be communicated via the intellect. Some things need to resonate at a deeper level, and the intellect serves as a barrier. It's like a shield you hold up to protect yourself but you're only pushing away love
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 07, 2021, 07:24:05 PMNot alluding to anything--just stating the facts. Let me use an example. I happen to be a dog and cat lover and have had them for most of my life. I find sharing my life with these furry creatures adds joy and fun to my life. When one of my companions die, I suffer pain in the form of grief. If I had not had these companions, I would not suffer grief from their deaths. One of the aspects of life on this planet is that it is brief. Along the path of my life I have lost several companions (not to mention all the humans I've lost). My life was richer and more joy packed because of them--one of the natural results is that they live a shorter life and that causes pain when they pass. No amount of a 'deeper consciousness' will change that. Grief is a part of life.Intellect is what allows us to traverse this life in a sane way. Yes, I've searched the other 'levels' of consciousness, and it is simply a dead end. Just like trying to find the 'super' natural of the universe is impossible, 'levels' of consciousness is a dead end, as well. Intellect is what allows us to see and understand what is around us. I've tried airy-fairy stuff and found no there, there.
Quote from: pumita92 on April 08, 2021, 05:08:39 AMI had a pet too! He survived a fire actually, and I definitely grieved when we had to put him down.I'll share a story and tell me what occurs to you. When I was 18 I had a girlfriend for a year and a half. I believed she was "the one" and when we broke up I was absolutely devastated. I would cry myself to sleep almost every night, for almost six months. I was actually in the military at that time and one day I cried in the ranks. Couldn't hold it in...In my mind, at the time, I believed I had to feel x amount of grief for the x amount of joy I felt being with her. To me that was the process. Can't have the rain without the rainbow. In my mind, I believed they had to balance out so I could "complete the cycle" of yin and yang. It made sense to me.When I finally moved on, eventually I got another girlfriend. We had a beautiful relationship too, for about the same amount of time. It was deep and meaningful, but eventually, we did break up, I started grieving again. I recalled having grieved for six months the previous time and I just thought "Not this time." I wasn't suppressing my emotion. I simply let it go. I didn't really give much attention to grieving thoughts. It's not like I pushed them away. But the natural trajectory of a thought is for it leave our awareness. It's our digging-into-it that makes the experience persistent. And so simply by allowing that natural flow of thought to take place, I was able to live my life joyfully.There is always so much to be grateful for. The grief wasn't making room for joy, it was obscuring the joy that was always present in my life.During that first six months of grieving from my first girlfriend, I had no idea that I was creating the experience through thought the entire time. It felt so real and so overwhelming to me. I didn't know that *I* was exercising my freedom to create the experience of grief. I thought it was happening to me. Not from me. But the real-feelingness of an experience isn't evidence for it's importance, it's just a demonstration of how powerful and convincing thought feels in the moment. But thought can change moment by moment. This is very difficult to see when we feel shrouded by negative emotion, however, it still remains true.When we see that joy is the undercurrent of experience, duality becomes non-duality. Non-duality is impossible to intellectualize because the intellect can only understand things in contrast. But seeing from a deeper place, a place beyond the intellect, enables us to become aware of the undercurrent of beauty and joy in our experience. This beauty and joy is never lost but only obscured by thought. In the absence of thought, in a tranquil mind, the beauty rises to the surface of awareness.And in fact, it's those moments we spend with our loved ones when the mind is quiet that we really see and appreciate the beauty in them and all around us.I have had many opportunities to grieve in the last few years. Some people close to me died. I had very small bouts of grief, if any. Simply because I would rather feel the joy. The joy has never felt. The joy has been consistent. The feelings of gratitude have been consistent.So let me ask you a question... what if you didn't need suffering to experience happiness? What if you didn't need pain to make space for joy? What if the belief in duality was simply a result of a misunderstanding of the mind? A misunderstanding of the source of experience?
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 08, 2021, 09:33:49 AMInteresting. I am affected by grief, but not as profoundly as you seem to be. I've lost grandparents, parents and even a grandson. Many pets have lived in my space and are gone. I grieve for them all. I had a divorce and grieved that as well (a relationship died). In all instances I totally give in to that grief and literally roll in it! It is one huge and deep pity-party! Then I come out of it. Well, never totally out of it in the sense of never feeling that grief ever again. For example, my mother died over a decade or so; I still feel grief, but only very briefly, but I still do miss her presence in my life, even though she lives in my memory. And the same with all the deaths I've had happen in my life. I don't regard grief as a blockage of joy. It is simply part and parcel of living; it is a part of the fabric of life. I don't think of it as a 'duality' but something that is part of the entire package of being alive. One could strive to be emotion free, but that would deaden the joyful impact of relationships of any kind. Why live? If one is going to love one is going to be impacted by grief. But also a whole lot more of joy and the celebration of life. Grief and pain give a contrast to the joy and love we feel from the same sources. In order to get rid of the grief and pain, one would also have to get rid or the source of love and joy. One could work at not feeling any pain nor grief; but that would be like killing part of oneself to protect oneself. So, I accept life; and I try to follow Joseph Campbell's motto--follow your bliss. And I do. So, I accept the joy and love of life and also the pain and suffering of grief. It's just life.