Impeach Trump????

[Mike Cl]

I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!

It has been even more embarrassing to us here.

[Baruch]

I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!

You are wise.  But Europeans frequently make the mistake about Anglophones, that we are European.  And the English frequently make the mistake that Americans are English.  We have little in common.  As an American,  I could say that there is nothing wrong with British culture, or Continental culture.  Just that they are incommensurate.

I do venture into British issues, but only because we are separated by a common language ;-)

Unfortunately, in politics, there aren't any holds barred, so I hope your sensitivities aren't offended ;-)  Things seem to have returned to the 1960s over the past 3 years.  Not my favorite decade.

Most people here lean ... socialist aka moderate collectivist.  To them, three of us here, seem to be far-right.  Two Brits and myself.  The Brits couldn't vote for Trump, and I could have, but didn't.  The only one I know to have been, was banned for arguing with the moderator.  Same happened to the classical Marxist.  No arguing with the moderator.

[Halkenburg]

You are wise.  But Europeans frequently make the mistake about Anglophones, that we are European.  And the English frequently make the mistake that Americans are English.  We have little in common.  As an American,  I could say that there is nothing wrong with British culture, or Continental culture.  Just that they are incommensurate.

I do venture into British issues, but only because we are separated by a common language ;-)

Unfortunately, in politics, there aren't any holds barred, so I hope your sensitivities aren't offended ;-)  Things seem to have returned to the 1960s over the past 3 years.  Not my favorite decade.

Most people here lean ... socialist aka moderate collectivist.  To them, three of us here, seem to be far-right.  Two Brits and myself.  The Brits couldn't vote for Trump, and I could have, but didn't.  The only one I know to have been, was banned for arguing with the moderator.  Same happened to the classical Marxist.  No arguing with the moderator.

So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

[Hydra009]

So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

Though I take it your "conservative" is a bit different than what we're used to in the States.  I saw an article a few days ago that pretty much sums it up: Arizona lawmaker proposes porn tax to pay for border wall.  (Throw in abortion and you get the trifecta of "modern" conservatism)

[Halkenburg]

Though I take it your "conservative" is a bit different than what we're used to in the States.  I saw an article a few days ago that pretty much sums it up: Arizona lawmaker proposes porn tax to pay for border wall.  (Throw in abortion and you get the trifecta of "modern" conservatism)

You would be correct about that. I'm not against abortions, for one.

[Mike Cl]

So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

I am a liberal and like to liberate people.  You say you are conservative; what are you trying to conserve?

[Baruch]

So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

Conservative doesn't equal Right.  Right/Left are rhetorical oversimplifications.  Liberal vs Conservative is only slightly less bad.  Are reactionaries conservative?  Are revolutionaries liberal?  BTW - I am a radical centrist, it took them 3.5 years here to figure that out, to pull down their anti-Fa mask to see me more clearly.
Culturally I am traditionalist, not conservative/liberal.

In the old days, my parents taught me to never discuss sex, politics or religion with strangers.  This place is the opposite of that, Gott sei Dank!

I am sure that Bavarians, while conservative historically, are much less stuck up than der Plattdeutschers ... they are party animals.  Just not sure which political party ;-)

[Baruch]

I am a liberal and like to liberate people.  You say you are conservative; what are you trying to conserve?

Probably his "vital juices" ;-))

[trdsf]

I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!

Nah, go ahead and have your opinion -- I don't let not being British (or European) stop me from having one about Brexit.

[Hydra009]

BTW - I am a radical centrist

Don't lie to the newbie.  You're a centrist like Trump is a centist.  If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative.  I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.

I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.

[Hydra009]

You would be correct about that. I'm not against abortions, for one.

How about the EU?  I've heard talk from some conservatives here about how totalitarian they are and how these vile globalists want to create a pan-european army to conquer the world and institute a one-world-government.

[trdsf]

So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.

There's a vast difference between German/European conservatism and American conservatism -- remember, we don't really have a liberal or left-wing party at the national level anymore.  Despite some signs of life from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party in the last election, the Democrats are mainly centrist with occasional forays to both the center-left and center-right.  Chancellor Merkel and the CDU/CSU are probably closer to our Democrats than our Republicans, which are more like AfD, sometimes NPD.

[Baruch]

Don't lie to the newbie.  You're a centrist like Trump is a centist.  If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative.  I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.

I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.

Some people still can't see thru their anti-Fa masks.  I prefer V For Vengeance masks.  I would blow up Parliament/Congress if infected with Left/Right revolutionaries (if they were in it).  The burning of the Reichstag wasn't a bad thing, except the Nazis and others weren't in the building at the time.

No, never voted for Trump.  Voted for Obama twice.  But I didn't come to that point as a Left Revolutionary aka Rousseau/Voltaire.  Rousseau was the original anti-Westerner, and Voltaire was the original anti-Abrahamic/anti-Semite.  As an anglophone, I consider them to be the bad part of the Enlightenment ... but Locke and Hume are cool.

Renewables are OK, just don't expect to run a highly industrial society on them.  Maybe exurb bourgeois.  Like environmentalists who fly instead of walk.  We have many wind turbines here, and Germany has many co-heat arrangements.  Good stuff, but conservation doesn't equal production.

Rhetorically, I can call anything I want, anything I want.  Same as the other agent provocateurs here.  If I were the only one with hyperbole, you would have a point.  Go get all the feminist Der presidential candidates to wet nurse you, if they will.  But  Tulsi Gabbard is the best.  The idea of Bernie running again, or Hillary running again, is too geriatric.

Given his performance, both pro and con, I still see no reason to vote for Trump.  And I don't vote party line (Independent).  During the election in 2016, people here wanted there to be no neutrality, you either all vote for Hillary, or be Arkancided.  Besides, as I have often stated, the President isn't the real boss now, the VP is (at least since Reagan).  With the exception of one term G W Bush.  VP Pence is going about the national business, quietly.  While all attention is focused on the Clown in Chief.  I will admit that Trump is a better clown than Obama.  Obama is much to well spoken and PC.

[Baruch]

How about the EU?  I've heard talk from some conservatives here about how totalitarian they are and how these vile globalists want to create a pan-european army to conquer the world and institute a one-world-government.

They will deny it of course.  But maybe this guy, as Bavarian conservative, isn't so progressive for the EUSR.  The Chinese are also totalitarian.  The whole world wants slavery, as cucks, with free iPhones and SNAP cards and free medicines (drugs, recreational or otherwise).  Humanity, per entropy, always tends toward degeneracy.  The few alpha male/alpha females out there, are fighting to determine who the new Maduro will be.

Come 2020, if I am even still alive, unless the Ders pull off a miracle of a sane liberal (slightly Left of center) ... and given that I expect Trump to run ... I may have to sit it out (as I did 1996-2004).  But if Pence is running, I will be tempted, same as with Gabbard.  Assuming that they are can do pragmatists, who harbor some extreme opinions.

[Blackleaf]

Don't lie to the newbie.  You're a centrist like Trump is a centist.  If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative.  I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.

I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.

I don't know if calling Baruch a Conservative is accurate. It seems to me he's just more of a contrarian, going against the popular opinions of this forum. At best, he might be considered Alt-Right, but I'm not sure about that either.