A two part movie that is so interesting and has great factoids. It is the first movie I have that shows dying and death the way it is from delirium tremens and a stroke. A really different kind of movie that I thought was as good as The Girl with the Dragon tattoo. I don't think the uptight religious puritans would like it, and it is probably banned by the Church.
http://youtu.be/IqaMPZZhNn8
I have personally witnessed many people across the spectrum denounce this movie. All types of people. They think it's vile, disgusting and distasteful. So yeah, you can imagine what hardcore Christians would think of this...
Quote from: frosty on July 03, 2014, 03:19:17 AM
I have personally witnessed many people across the spectrum denounce this movie. All types of people. They think it's vile, disgusting and distasteful. So yeah, you can imagine what hardcore Christians would think of this...
In other words, pretty much a must-see.
Quote from: stromboli on July 03, 2014, 03:23:27 AM
In other words, pretty much a must-see.
I just never noticed such repulsion from a broad spectrum of people like that before. It's not often I see Atheists/Agnostics, Christians and New Agers all agreeing in unison on a moral issue.
The critics at Rotten Tomatoes mostly liked it (75%). I get the impression it's thought provoking. It hasn't showed up at any theaters around here, which is no surprise. I haven't seen it listed within 100 miles of where I live. There is a quirky out of the way theater that shows films rejected by the mega theater chains about 90 miles from here. I don't check their listings every week. It may have played there. I will definitely see it if I can find it.
It reminds me of a movie called Secretary, which is also somewhat disturbing, but I found it very thought provoking. One of my liberal friends saw it and it upset him.
Of course most people in the United States wouldn't like it, because it is realistic and gritty. We are such anti sex for women here. If you have ever lived on the streets you would not realize this goes on everyday. I had an argument with a group of girls at art school that were coming down on men because they were so promiscuous. I asked them if woman are like that too. They told me, "no!" I said, "in other words a few woman are having sex with a lot of men then." I had to run for my life. He! He! We, men and woman, are all sex objects if we are attractive, whether we like it or not. Solitary
In other words she is a hedonist, and feels guilty from her past indoctrination from puritan religion for enjoying physical pleasure. :razz: :whistle:.
This is going to be another one of those topics, isn't it?
Story of my life...haven't known a nymphomaniniac for many years. It sucks too.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
It has nothing to do with Secretary.
The woman cannot build any emotional ties. She cannot feel and all she can feel is sexual pleasure. She cannot connect. She is miserable. It's upsetting and sad. Otherwise it is an 'ideal' 21st century male profile. You know, men are animals with sexual drive alone anyway.
I really hope that had a different meaning than what it sounded like.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 01:57:30 PM
No, it means exactly the way it sounds. It is written to tell what the male culture in general promotes in contrast with the view of female culture it presents.
Patriarchal culture defines males as natural perpetrators, animals without emotions that would do anything to have sex, while females are the opposite of that (being born a female is a virtue in itself bullshit) which is right down made up. So anyone who is out of those norms to be condemned in some way. Get bullied, abused, not accepted...etc.
How is that not understandable from all that stuff I wrote with it?
It just sounded like you were singling out one gender. All the references to the origins of such traditions aside, it's interesting how these practices continue albeit in different, 'modern' forms.
As for you, I understand that you do not appreciate the idea that you are an angry, jack booted man hater, but certain posts you make can either be misinterpreted as such or sometimes you just flat out say it. If you want to avoid more issues in the future, you should re-word what you say because it can be rather annoying sometimes.
Shoe an "Angry jackbooted man hater"? C'mon now.. Now you're just full of shit.. :lol:
I'm a man hater from what I have experienced from so-called macho men in the way they treat women. "My old lady." "That cunt!" "She's a slut!" "She's a dyke and doesn't like men." "She's a whore." But, "he is a manly man", "he is top dog!" "I had sex with 50 women last year." Come on, why isn't there words for men like there are for woman that like sex---or get paid for it? :eek: :biggrin2: Solitary
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
No, it sounded like that to you. Because that was your expectation.
Well, people always have some type of expectations or biases. I was referencing what you said. That's it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 05:14:26 PM
If you had a general idea of what I keep saying about both genders -which I wrote many times in many ways- rather than jumping to a conclusion of what I might be saying up there because of my gender, what you think about me, you would have a different perception reading the above post.
But you are already prejudiced in more than one level. So, I am glad your are annoyed. This is something about you, not me.
I actually respect you for criticizing both genders, it's just that you seem to have an inconsistency with the whole thing. Could I have the unfortunate luck of just happening to see you mostly criticize males, and not see you the other times you criticize the other gender? Maybe.
QuoteBut you are already prejudiced in more than one level. So, I am glad your are annoyed. This is something about you, not me.
Oh, I get it. So any type of questioning or criticism is automatically about the other person. Deflection. I see. I'm not annoyed, so I guess you'll be disappointed at that. I just literally said what I did, not sure how else to explain it. As for this being about me, I've already been stereotyped about gender, and been accused of various things before with no evidence to support the erroneous assertions of those people so not sure how it's about me. I just like fairness, and consistency, and I can't speak for myself but I'm not comfortable taking part in a forum where a large part of it involves gender hatred. Same goes for a man that hates women. I would call him out and confront him about it too.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 03, 2014, 05:26:22 PM
Shoe an "Angry jackbooted man hater"? C'mon now.. Now you're just full of shit.. :lol:
It was a hypothetical suggestion. I didn't mean it literally. I've seen that person complain before about how they think people see them that way, so I was just trying to give some advice. Of course, nobody listened or cared, and that's fine. If I actually thought they were those words I would phrase it in a different way and I wouldn't try to give them advice or help.
Did I really start this thread? I thought it was a good movie and realistic with many interesting factoids that people here would enjoy. I didn't mean for it to get into a gender war. There are men that are addicted to sex also. The best sex I ever had was with a woman I despised, because I didn't have any baggage that came with it, like love, an over rated second hand emotion. :eek: Solitary
Well frosty, the right thing to do now would be to apologise , mibbe after thinking about it u realise that Shoe isnt an angry jack booted man hater after all or mibbe u stand by what u said, i dont know cos im not fuckin psychic, but i think u should chill an just say sorry...... :snooty:
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 03, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Well frosty, the right thing to do now would be to apologise , mibbe after thinking about it u realise that Shoe isnt an angry jack booted man hater after all or mibbe u stand by what u said, i dont know cos im not fuckin psychic, but i think u should chill an just say sorry...... :snooty:
That's not going to happen, because nothing I said would warrant such a thing to happen. We are having a discussion. Go play with something.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
No, my experience with you. You got pissed off me about something completely different and automatically insulted me by something related to my gender. Remember? So, I get where do those people come from.
Also a reminder, we are at most what? 3 women here? And I am the only active female member among a crowded male group.
What? I can't tell if you're trying to say you got pissed off or I did. I already touched on this, it was a stupid thread 7 months ago about a different subject and everybody was saying things in every different direction. If you still hold a grudge based on what I said, you're just going to have to deal with it and let it go. Do I hold a grudge about how I was insulted by a large group of people on a forum, almost relentlessly? Nope. Those people probably don't even understand what they did wrong, they would never apologize, and I don't even care about anything they think or do anyways.
I don't want to keep going off here like a chatterbox, but I too have been in positions where I didn't have the greatest time on the Internet but I don't expect anyone to admit what they did. It happens all the time. My sincere advice would be for you to not take seriously my one-off remarks from 7 months ago. Or anybody else's for that matter.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
You wrote this and lines smiliar to it so many times, I don't think anyone gets if you are joking or serious. Including me.
If you -or anyone else- think I am some sort of a man hater, then you really have not seen any man hater in your lives.
I can assure you that APA was being sarcastic. I know you are not a man hater, but I am very well informed that there are men that deserve it. I have gotten into many fight when younger, when a man called a women names or slapped or hit them with their fist. I have also ran into real man hater when trying to pick up a dykes girl friend (I honestly thought it was a guy at the bar), that made Tyson look like a nice guy---actually I think he is---anyone that keeps pet birds is not a bad guy.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 03, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
You wrote this and lines smiliar to it so many times, I don't think anyone gets if you are joking or serious. Including me.
If you -or anyone else- think I am some sort of a man hater, then you really have not seen any man hater in your lives.
I joke with you shoe and yes, I've known a few real live man haters.. One was possibly the most bitter neighbor I ever had.
Quote'' That's not going to happen, because nothing I said would warrant such a thing to happen. We are having a discussion. Go play with something.
OK Frosty, no need to get uppity. :fU:
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 03, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
Quote'' That's not going to happen, because nothing I said would warrant such a thing to happen. We are having a discussion. Go play with something.
OK Frosty, no need to get uppity. :fU:
I don't know if I should laugh or tell you to go away again. Not sure.
Just a random interjection to let everyone know that I just farted. :)
You may return to arguing on the internet.
To be honest Frosty, i couldnt really give a fk what u do, just remember, he who laughs last didnt get the fkn joke...
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 03, 2014, 07:26:32 PM
To be honest Frosty, i couldnt really give a fk what u do, just remember, he who laughs last didnt get the fkn joke...
If you don't care, then why do you keep replying? You seem very slow in the head. Please go play with a large, sharp object and stop being an annoying douche, thanks. You suck at making jokes by the way.
Well considering u keep replying to my replies it seems that its you who is slow in the head, i dont think u realise that the joke in this instance is you....kindly refrain from replying to my replies thx.....
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 03, 2014, 07:34:27 PM
Well considering u keep replying to my replies it seems that its you who is slow in the head, i dont think u realise that the joke in this instance is you....kindly refrain from replying to my replies thx.....
Nah, I'm going to keep replying because I feel like it.
So I guess I twisted your panties in a knot with the whole point about you not caring? Figures. You are slow in the head because your posts make no sense and have terrible grammar and punctuation. Mine isn't perfect, but it's worlds better than yours.
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Well, I popped into this thread to look at an interesting movie, and see that it was derailed. Apparently Shoe is the only active woman in a forum full of men. What am I, chopped liver?
Where did Sabrina go? Dreamer? SVzurich? Smartzipan? Princess Mega...something? (I'm bad with names). I see Mermaid is still posting now and then.
There are many woman that have, in the past, been very active on this forum. At one time, we had a good 10 women posting regularly. I guess the overall population dropped, here.
Some people get offended just too damn easily, lol. Me included.
Quote-He realises his sexuality very early ("oh what a horndog!"), he experiments ("he is open minded and of eccentric taste") and he has sex with hundreds of women ("master player") without feeling 'love' to them. Winner. Go boy!
I agree with your basic premise, but there is a point that guys say, "Okay, dude... it's just not impressive anymore, you have an issue."
I will say that point is FAR further down the line of amount of sexual activity than it is for women, but I know someone who likes to say he is a male version of the character (maybe he is, I really could care less about his sex life)... passionless, just in it for the pleasure, never holds a relationship for more than a week or so and could care less how it makes his partner feel... and pretty much everyone he tells it to is just like, "Okay dude, whatever... no one cares, and we aren't impressed".
But again, I will agree that if a woman was to have sex with even one or two guys and say she did it just for the pleasure it would be slutty, but for a man it is a player. For women there isn't really that point, it is more or less, "Had sex? Uz a slut.".
To which I wonder; dafuq guys? Dafuq? Why are you going to make women be ashamed of their sexuality and therefor engage in less sexual activity... ergo reducing your chance of getting laid? Wouldn't it be a plus for women to be 'slutty"?
QuoteIn other words she is a hedonist, and feels guilty from her past indoctrination from puritan religion for enjoying physical pleasure.
Not necessarily, she could have an actual addiction... where you no longer even really enjoy the act all that much, nor get much out of it besides very base pleasure, but continue to do it anyways even if it has alot of negative consequences because it's a habit.
QuoteWhere did Sabrina go? Dreamer? SVzurich? Smartzipan? Princess Mega...something? (I'm bad with names). I see Mermaid is still posting now and then.
I know either Sabrina or Dreamer (I think it was Dreamer) said she was taking a break, as did Smartzi. Don't know about the rest though.
Anyways though, yeah... this is a movie I have been planning on watching.
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 03, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
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So you are such a juvenile little bitch that I can just keep replying, and you will also keep replying just to prove a point about how you don't care? Loooool, faulty logic FTW. This is going to be hilarious. I can keep goading you into a response and you don't have the ability to resist it, it's like tempting a 5 year old with candy. This is hilarious.
Now, at least Shiranu seems to very well understand the addiction/sickness factor. Speaking for myself, I do not wish to take a moral stance on this whole issue. But at least he gets that this type of stuff is not always as it's portrayed. Religious people say it's a sin, anti-religious/hedonists/whatever say it's awesome and amazing, everybody is stupid. Seriously. Your body is not meant to have vicious sex 20,000 times. As culture changes, so does therapy and it's methods, and I sincerely hope that the waves are not shifting to seeing nymphomania as some type of positive benefit. These people need help, I've researched this topic myself. Encouraging them to keep destroying themselves is irresponsible.
Quote from: Aroura33 on July 03, 2014, 11:21:24 PM
Some people get offended just too damn easily, lol. Me included.
What? I didn't get offended. I was just talking about an issue, and trying to correct some things. I have a distaste for hearing the things I confronted, but that's doesn't mean I was offended, I adapted to the Internet and it's mighty ways many moons ago.
Quote from: frosty on July 04, 2014, 12:03:32 AM
What? I didn't get offended. I was just talking about an issue, and trying to correct some things. I have a distaste for hearing the things I confronted, but that's doesn't mean I was offended, I adapted to the Internet and it's mighty ways many moons ago.
That comment was absolutely NOT directed at you. Sorry if you misunderstood.
I defer to women on issues dealing with women because they are women and we aren't. Silly me. And you are right, we live in a society that makes men studs and women sluts and it is ludicrous, to say the least. I have known men who had an insatiable ego driven need to sleep with women. I did not like those men and they were at heart destructive, misogynistic and cynical people.
I have never known a nymphomaniac, but have known women who were unfairly labeled and unfairly ridiculed for their perceived sexual proclivities, most of which were probably the invention of some man in the first place. The double standard is still very much in place. Sad.
I've probably known as many women that were wildly sexually active as I have known men who were wildly sexually active. Not that more men don't wish they could be that way, but not everyone is so fortunate. I suppose some men and women would look at sexually active women and call them sluts. I don't, nor do I disapprove of their sexual experience. Nor do I think wildly sexually active men are great studs. So when I look at these social stereotypes, I actually wonder, and wonder about it a lot. Who perpetuates these stereotypes, and for what purpose? Do the stereotypes actually exist to the extent that people deplore them so much, and if people deplore them, then why do the stereotypes even exist? Be they men or women, is there any logical reason to pass judgment, either favorably or unfavorably, on people that have a lot of sex with a lot of partners?
Sometimes I just want to call horseshit on the perception of society being so full of shit. Almost as if there is a stereotype of society that spends major amounts of energy making up stereotypes. Sure, there's a bunch of Christians and Muslims out there that condemn half of everything that goes on around them, so yeah there's probably a bunch of judgmental pricks perpetuating the stereotypes, but I don't give a shit about their obsession with other people's sex and I disregard their bullshit as irrelevant.
But here's the thing. You don't have to go around pissing and moaning about society (that's all men and women that makes up society) perpetuating the double standard at issue here. There is a certain subset of society that perpetuates the stereotypes that create the double standards, and the label I use to identify this subset is "the assholes" and the older I get, the more I ignore them. They contribute little of value, and they don't reflect my thoughts, as well as the thoughts of a Hell of a lot of other people.
back to the movie,,is there any fuckin in it? Cause I ain't wasting time on some psyco-babble bullshit...she doesn't look that attractive but hey, any sex scenes?
How can something that doesn't give pleasure become an addiction? If it does, it is not an addiction, but a quest for pleasure that can't be had, which is an addictive personality from other causes than pleasure, like quilt for wanting pleasure from what is normal that one is taught is wrong. Many religious people flagellate themselves to make them selves pure in the eyes of the Lord from puritan ethics. People are reacting to this movie emotionally, instead of understanding the points it makes about ones upbringing. This movie also shows we don't make choices from free will, but upbringing and inheritance. The man that was a pedophile didn't act on it because he knew it was wrong, but he couldn't help he was one anymore than anyone can that is considered normal. All the people in the movie were acting the way they were for the same reasons the girl was. From their natural desires and nature. Why is it that we judge people that are different than we are, was the point of the movie, and the responses here show it is true even among atheists that are different than most people, and why we are judged by them. "We have met the enemy and it is us." Solitary
Quote from: aitm on July 04, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
back to the movie,,is there any fuckin in it? Cause I ain't wasting time on some psyco-babble bullshit...she doesn't look that attractive but hey, any sex scenes?
"YES" It shows what goes on behind closed doors, from S&M, pedophilia, anal, blowjobs, prefrontal epilepsy orgasms, etc. The younger girl is not that unattractive, and frigid trying to have orgasms anyway she can. It's not a movie for every ones tastes, and that is an understatement. It's like taking the girl with the dragon tattoo to more extremes and deviant behavior. There are very interesting points it makes if you think about it instead of reacting to it. If you a racist you won't like it. As has been said here, most people will just be shocked and offended. I'm used to way worse than what this movie shows from things I've seen and experienced in my life time. I earned my PTSD. Solitary
Solitary, about what happened yesterday, this thread was hijacked for a wee while an it was partly my fault so i apologise mate, i stupidly allowed myself to get drawn into a daft argument over fk all , wont happen again.. :wall:
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on July 04, 2014, 11:13:02 AM
Solitary, about what happened yesterday, this thread was hijacked for a wee while an it was partly my fault so i apologise mate, i stupidly allowed myself to get drawn into a daft argument over fk all , wont happen again.. :wall:
So it was you! He! He! I didn't even notice. May 10,000 fleas infest your arm pits! That movie has created a shit storm everywhere. It touches a nerve with everyone, including me, but it is a movie to think about to enjoy. It is really over the top. No problem here, you are one of my favorites on the forum. Solitary
Cheers man , an ur rite about this film, iv'e had a wee peek at the trailers an no sex there , bstrd, anyhow , the argument i had was wi frosty when he said somethin to shoe an i just suggested that he shd apologise an he wouldnt so it went from there. gettin bk to this movie i havent seen it advertised anywhere else online except here, mibbe im not looking hard enuff but aye , controversial isnt the word........ :pidu:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 04, 2014, 04:24:58 AM
It was derailed by frosty, who got offended by something because he didn't understand it. Sorry to disappoint you and your 'issue' that you are supposedly posting for.
Nope, you just didn't like being called out on something like this. You are accustomed to other people letting your comments slide, it's not going to happen with me. I won't stand for such behaviour.
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Just for the record, it's frosty who got offended for no reason.
Not true. I've already explained my stance in great detail here, and tried to be as least offensive as possible. I also don't get why you are being rude to Aroura for, this is getting ridiculous. I do not accept you calling males brutal animals and other offensive things for no reason. Other people on this forum might find it cute, but I don't. In fact I find it appalling. For the record I'm not offended emotionally but I have a general distaste for hearing such abusive things in a forum like this one.
At risk of continuing the shit storm (which doesn't particularly seem ended)... saying that male culture can be brutal towards women is simply a matter of fact. You can be offended by that all you want, but that doesn't make it any less a reality.
Saying that doesn't mean I therefor assume you are a brutal animal, nor that every man I meet my first thought is that he must be terrible towards women, but it does mean I recognize it as a problem within the male community around the world.
Taking that as something offensive is far more distasteful to me than simply pointing out a reality.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
At risk of continuing the shit storm (which doesn't particularly seem ended)... saying that male culture can be brutal towards women is simply a matter of fact. You can be offended by that all you want, but that doesn't make it any less a reality.
Say that doesn't mean I therefor assume you are a brutal animal, nor that every man I meet my first thought is that he must be terrible towards women, but it does mean I recognize it as a problem within the male community around the world.
Taking that as something offensive is far more distasteful to me than simply pointing out a reality.
Of course it's a reality. I'm very well aware of that. But I oppose a tolerated culture of bashing males simply because they were born a certain gender they did not choose. And then there's this explanation you're reading right now. Why should I be ashamed to be a male? I shouldn't and I'm not. If someone calls me an animal based on a stereotypical image of my gender in their head, I will confront them about it. I'm not going to budge and start bowing down to people just because of my gender.
Despite what any users here think of me and what I say, I have absolutely no guilt or shame for the position I am taking. I abhorrently oppose violence against females, but I won't tolerate being gravely disrespected for who I am - and I'll confront such attitudes wherever I go. If anybody doesn't like that, well too bad.
She never said that, or implied, that you should feel that way.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 02:12:43 PM
She never said that, or implied, that you should feel that way.
They have implied it before. So have other so called 'feminists'. Not all of them of course, I have a high regard for classical feminism. Whether they imply it or not, it's just not going to happen. I refuse to accept such platitudes. What would happen if I were to take what they said, and switch 'males' for 'females'? The entire forum would have come down on my head by now.
And before people start taking cheap shots at me, remember that a few females close to me have been the subject of violence by males before. Still, that doesn't mean I will crawl on my hands and knees for my gender. It. Won't. Happen.
QuoteThey have implied it before.
Who is they?
QuoteWhether they imply it or not, it's just not going to happen.
Well, considering no one here is asking you to, I don't see the reason to go on this long rant about how you won't. No one here is asking you to, so no one here particularly cares one way or another that you are arguing with us that you won't.
QuoteWhat would happen if I were to take what they said, and switch 'males' for 'females'? The entire forum would have come down on my head by now.
Okay, let's flip it around.
"Women have a culture of being sexually promiscuous and putting down men for having sex even once. But it's okay because, you know, it's just a woman living up to her social expectations."
Yeah, the forum would probably come down on you (or at least laugh at you) because that statement is just completely wrong.
QuoteStill, that doesn't mean I will crawl on my hands and knees for my gender. It. Won't. Happen.
And still no one cares because NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 04, 2014, 02:17:33 PM
Why are you so fucking stupid? You are not able to understand a simple post that is explained to you multiple times. It means exactly the opposite way you think. It's written to criticise the idea it conveys; it's mocking it. Because that's the other coin of the general culture the movie promotes. Nobody is calling males brutal animals, we are mocking that. Do you have the basic intelligence to get that?
Then I guess you should word your posts differently? Avoiding such mistakes in the future would be nice.
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Who do you think you called out on what? Do you seriously really think that I -or anyone else- keep insulting some gender here for kicks and giggles and people find it cute and laugh? Where did you get that impression? Another poster already told you that you are the one who doesn't get what is going on around here, didn't you get any hint? Do you understand how pathetic one needs to get to arrive a conclusion and continue pose with fucking ridiculous dribble?
That other poster is irrelevant. You said what you said, and I confronted you about it, so stop whining. As for continuing on with dribble, that is a subjective position. You could say I do it, other people could do it, etc.
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You are a kind of person that turns around and 'insults' someone with their gender in the middle of a discussion. This is your stance. You have done that. What you do, not what you keep saying and posing here.
And you're the type of person that holds a childish grudge and can't let anything go. Does that sound accurate?
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I also don't give a fuck what Aroura feels about my statement of 'I am the active female member in a crowded male group'. She got in to a thread you derailed, also people giving you reactions and wrote a ridiculous, meaningless post about me, taking a simple statement out of context. What she did is something that needs to be called out on.
Oh sure, other people must be confronted, but not you, right? You have a nasty attitude that you project onto others and it is irritating and disrespectful. You whine and moan because you want people to submit to you and it never happens so you just get more bitter.
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And now you think that if you blame me for being rude to someone made that post, you'll be seen as someone after some fairness around here? I don't know may be you think people will think, that 'oh he is protecting female poster, aw'?
Are you alright? Do you need medication? You seem erratic and off your rocker. If you're talking about Aroura, I just don't see why you have to be such a nasty prude to everybody. The gender of that user is irrelevant - as I've tried to explain a few times now in general. I try to take a stance ignoring such labels, although sometimes I don't have a choice. Whether it's about this topic, or Aroura, I do not like how you talk to other people. It is beyond critical and debative, it is abusive. Gender is mostly irrelevant, although that's unfortunately what the topic has turned into.
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All this bullshit is a result of your stupidity. And you got no stance. You are a fucking poser.
I'm a poser? Really? Is that the best you got? This 'bullshit' is the result of you being a hateful, crude, discriminating person and me confronting you about it. I do have a stance, you just don't like it :). Not really sure how I'm a 'poser' here, I mean everything I say.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 02:25:10 PM
Who is they?
Well, I thought it was suggested, but people that have an unfair gender bias hatred. Not all women are like that, even most feminists don't seem to be like that - it seems to be a small group of them, and they do exist, and they are unpleasant to deal with.
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And still no one cares because NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO.
I know you are capable of understanding what suggestive themes are. When a thought or theme is implied but not necessarily said. Is that speculation? Sure, but other times it is bluntly, flat out said. In the case of this forum, my point was that I refuse to be subjugated because I am a certain way. I refuse to be demeaned, then have people not expect me to question or oppose it. That's it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 04, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
Who are they? You have been actually answering to a few women you got angry with in your past, because they are not classical feminists in your posts to me?
Somebody wants to you to crawl on your hands, because a few females you know was abused by men? Who wants you to do what?
What is he talking about?
Nope, you're just twisting my words to avoid the actual topic at hand. That's not what I said at all. Read it again.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 04, 2014, 04:24:58 AM
Active female member in a crowded male group. Yes, I am. Overall in two years I haven't posted just for 2 months. Then there is Mermaid now. You come and go.
It was derailed by frosty, who got offended by something because he didn't understand it. Sorry to disappoint you and your 'issue' that you are supposedly posting for.
No, I think you need attention. Considering you got worked up by "I am the only active female member" line. You have been absent for some time and that is longer in forum time.
SVZurich hasn't posted more than a year, she is busy.
Princess Megathron more than that.
Sabrina stopped posting more than half a year ago.
Smartmarzipan is very busy, she hasn't been around in months.
Dreamer is busy with her baby boy and her project, she drops once in a while. Mostly to chat room.
*Things active members noticed a long time ago.
She posts more often than that thankfully. She is also busier than most I guess.
Forum has changed 3-4 times over in the last 2 years. The amount of the male regulars who stopped posting is bigger than female posters combined. This happens a lot in forums, especially old ones.
Nobody made any statement like 'there haven't been any active female members in the forum'. It wasn't even the subject, until you made it an 'issue', because drunkenshoe wrote something here that you don't like. You seemed to be content with liking posts in other threads -highly likely you haven't even read- just because it included a one line hostile comebacks to me, but I think this was too much, eh? "What did she say?! She said he was the only 'active woman in a forum full of men'?!" :lol:
My statement -obviously- directed to the long period that went in between. I'm still almost always the only female poster in many threads. With or without you active.
Just for the record, it's frosty who got offended for no reason.
Good heavens drunkenshoe, the term "what am I, chopped liver?" is a common joke expression. Which I did try and make obvious by adding the lol.
I was actually here when SVzurich and Smartzi and Sabrina left, and I still talk to Dreamer. I have been a member here longer than you, it was supposed to be a humorous rhetorical question pointing out that we used to have a lot more active female members, not whatever you took it as. Jeeze, I didn't "take issue" with anything, nor did I accuse YOU of derailing the thread, I simply said it was derailed.
Calm down, yikes.
Anyway, back on topic. I am actually curious if they depict the womans nymphomania as an addiction to pleasure or a mental illness. From what little I understand of it, it is an illness wherein the person feels the need to engage in sexual activity, or aceive orgasm, multiple times a day. I remember seeing an interview a long time ago withna woman who described what a hell it was to live with. She was perfectly able to love people, but her mental illness made it hard for people to return the affection because of how they viewed her. Her own psychiatrist was of the opinion that being able to acheive orgasm multiple times per day would be great. But she explained that it was actually painful NOT to fullfill her need.
I think it is a huge stygma that people with this mental condition live with. But don't people with any "taboo" sexual proclivity live with stygma? I hope the current change in attitudes toward homosexuality will help open up peoples minds and understanding of people who have other than typical heterosexual feelings.
Now that my summer classes are over, I am going to watch it later.
I think like most mental illnesses there are probably various ways it manifests itself. I recall the woman you are talking about as well, but I think there are also those that don't have any sort of passion or affection for others... they are addicted more to the act than the climax.
It's a movie I find interesting in two ways; One being the mental health aspect of it, but two people's reactions to it. It seems from a glance to be something that could be both very good and very taboo, so I wonder if the mediocre critic reviews give it 70s and such because of the quality or because it makes them think about something we are programmed not to think about, or to find wrong.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 06:21:35 PM
Now that my summer classes are over, I am going to watch it later.
I think like most mental illnesses there are probably various ways it manifests itself. I recall the woman you are talking about as well, but I think there are also those that don't have any sort of passion or affection for others... they are addicted more to the act than the climax.
It's a movie I find interesting in two ways; One being the mental health aspect of it, but two people's reactions to it. It seems from a glance to be something that could be both very good and very taboo, so I wonder if the mediocre critic reviews give it 70s and such because of the quality or because it makes them think about something we are programmed not to think about, or to find wrong.
Yeah, I would like to watch it as well and form my own opinion. I have seen mediocre movies with very good messages, and great entertaining movies that are also very shallow.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 04, 2014, 02:56:58 PM
People did fine. You are the one who didn't get it and also chose to spew bullshit after an explanation made to you. I explained to you immediately that wasn't the case. That you misunderstood.
Well, if that's your way of perceiving things, then good for you. It's still obvious you don't like how I called you out on what you said. That's fine. The difference between me and you is that you have the opinions of multiple users here to back you up regardless of your faults; I don't. And I see you are obviously using such a reality to somehow divert attention from what you originally did.
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That was a disgusting thing you did back then. Oh yes you meant everything you said there AND that is why you are a poser now, here, with all this bullshit you spew in this thread. That insult is you and your stance. 'Insulting' a female with her gender. You could have said something afterwards, you didn't. You were fine with it.
You also read my post in this thread with the same frame of mind, also with an anger you feel some group of women and answered to me and others with all that. As I told you before in this thread, it's you. All this bullshit is yours.
Call it what you want. You do not deserve my respect.
Actually, I believe this is the 5th (or 6th?) time I "said something" after I said that, so I do not understand how that means I am a poser. I don't apologize for taking a stance on something and minorly offending someone, just like I'm sure you or anybody else wouldn't care if I was minorly offended at what you think or say.
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You also read my post in this thread with the same frame of mind, also with an anger you feel some group of women and answered to me and others with all that. As I told you before in this thread, it's you. All this bullshit is yours.
Call it what you want. You do not deserve my respect.
Well.... nah, not really. The last time, I was being attacked by almost an entire forum of users and I talked back, like almost any normal person would do. You chose to get involved, you got burned, deal with it. Do I feel upset for experiencing what you did on a scale probably 100 times worse? No.
As for "all this bullshit" being mine, that seems a rather convenient way for you to relinquish responsibility for what you said. I dislike having to read your posts and put up with your personal abuse with an occasional twist of gender insults. Maybe the entire forum is against me, it doesn't matter to me. I and others want to take part in discussions without dealing with such things.
Finally; as for me not deserving your respect, that means about as much to me as a random stranger on the street who I've never seen in my life not respecting me, which is really nothing at all. I talk to people on this forum and then forget about them almost as soon as I click the 'X' button on my browser. If I don't deserve any of your respect because I stood up to for your abusive ramblings and forum bullying, then that is awesome because it shows I'm obviously doing something right.
You know.. I've read most of this thread a few times and still don't know what this big argument is about. Maybe I just keep hoping the nymphomaniac will knock on my door and it's distracting me from getting into this pissing match.
And stromboli, perhaps you misunderstand what addictive behavior is. It's not necessarily about pleasure. It may begin that way, but often turns destructive.
Take the example of medications, usually pain medication. There's a huge difference between addiction and physical dependency. Example being someone running the streets, is physically dependent on pain killers, but has to steal stuff to get the money for the pain killers even though there is no longer pleasure involved, addiction is a behavioral issue. vs someone like my dad, also physically dependent to pain killers, but his medication is prescribed and controlled. Physical dependency is a physiological issue.
Damned.. I almost made sense there.. Sex addiction may or may not produce pleasure. It's the behavioral issues that cause the problems.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 07, 2014, 12:52:58 PM
If you were able to challenge anyone in some way, you would earn some respect. As it is explained to you several times, you don't deserve my respect because of your blatantly sexist insult.
So once again I incur your irrational wrath. Cool. Once again, I'm doing even more things right! I have challenged you consistently, you just do not like it. You have all the traits of an abusive person, where when you are called out for something, you start to attack someone's personality and integrity because you have absolutely NOTHING left. Instead of facing what is being said to you, you lash out at the person making the argument instead of the actual content itself.
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About blaming people with forum bullying and abusive behaviour; you just patronised a 13 year old in another thread and declared yourself as the winner of the 'argument', while most posters pointed out how ridiculous your reaction was.
Rofl? I myself said he was 13 as circumstantial humour, if you have any idea what that even means. I myself did not say I was the winner; I believe someone else did. As for "most" posters pointing out how ridiculous my reaction was, there was probably about 1 or 2 -
the same people I was talking with in the first place. QuoteYou have zero self awareness. You are not a bit observant and you have no idea what is going on in the forum. So no, you are not doing anything right. You just keep getting more ridiculous trying to pick up fights here and there.
Yes, I do have self awareness. I am aware of things going on in this forum that I am able to perceive with my senses. Do you know what the five senses are? I don't think you do. So what is your problem here? Yeah, I am doing something right; you seem to still keep replying, defending your abusive position after I told you to stop, even complimenting you a bit along the way. Face it; you're just mad because someone actually confronted you about your abusive, rude behaviour instead of bowing down to you and agreeing with everything you say.
Wow, this is getting ridiculous. You tried to bully two people here and you are upset that I didn't stand for it. Come on. I have no distinct connection with Aroura, it's just the way you talked to them and me also. Just like you refuse to apologize for being nasty to people, I refuse to apologize for resisting your toxic behaviour because you deserve it.
I have spoken with other members here as well and clarified my position on everything. Maybe they agree with what I say. Maybe they just don't want to deal with me. Who knows? But what I do know is that this type of discourse cannot continue. Like I said; I have done my best to cement my positions here. I stand against bullying of other forum members for no reason, including myself, and insulting remarks to genders of any kind. If people don't like me for that, well, good for them I guess????
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And frosty thinks -because he knows the forum very well!- that he is being a 'hero', calling out my 'rudeness', 'abusive behaviour'. He figured out everything! Anyway, I told him that I didn't respect him and don't buy his bullshit, that I know his stance on the female gender from a particular insult he made to me.
False. I do not claim to know the entire forum with expertise. I only know what my five senses can perceive, and what my mind can ascertain. I do what I need to do against you to fight abuse, no pretty labels attached. It is what it is. As for you or anybody else not respecting me, that is irrelevant.
I already explained before, if you cared to actually read what I typed, that I oppose discrimination and violence against females in all it's forms. Females close to me before have experienced such things - I do not like it. You take one off-handed remark by me against you 7 months ago and say that is how I feel against females; maybe I should take your dozens, maybe hundreds of remarks against males you consistently make in the forums and chat box and use it against you? I assume you would not like that, yes?
Bottom line is that I won't stand for what you do. Your habit of twisting my words, being discriminatory and bullying other people is awful. I have also confronted other abusive people in the past in this manner; they did not like it, but oh well!!!
So anyways... I've watched the first hour of it, it was pretty good so far. For some reason I never really tied fly fishing and being a nymphomaniac as being all that similar, but they are making a case for it :P.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 08, 2014, 03:01:46 PM
So anyways... I've watched the first hour of it, it was pretty good so far. For some reason I never really tied fly fishing and being a nymphomaniac as being all that similar, but they are making a case for it :P.
A couple days ago, it was still not available at Amazon. Where did you find it?
Quote from: SGOS on July 09, 2014, 06:32:21 AM
A couple days ago, it was still not available at Amazon. Where did you find it?
Google :P.
Nymphomaniac vol 1 and 2 (2014 not yet released to DVD as far as I can tell).
There is another movie Nymphomaniac (only 1 DVD (2013)).