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munky99999
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | The evil coercive government with the gun steals my freedoms; restricts me from taking jobs that I want to take... calling them illegal or what have you.
I should have every right to be a contract killer. I could setup my contract killing company. I could then sell health insurance to people. Not in the normal idea of health insurance but rather simply protection from being killed by my company.
If my company is getting slow business. Which is unlikely. I should have every right to sell products which dont exist... using the influence and fear of contract killers to force people to buy them. For example I can sell something like a QRay bracelet which is just a piece of wire... and say that it makes you immune to bullets and that if you dont buy one we will show how allergic to bullets that they are. |
Why would I ever support you? If rational people condone this sort of behavior, then perhaps government is needed. It is analogous to people who need the bible to prevent kicking babies in the head. Some people need religion and government. Others are better off without it. |
Are you kidding me? Something like 50 people a year in the USA are CAUGHT by police trying to hire an undercover cop as a hitman. If you go on craigslist or whatever you could likely find a number of hits on there right now. Google's first hit. These are just stupid people... If the free market existed... ofcoarse you could be a hitman and you could make good money at it.
| Quote: | | Why wait for anarchy, join the army. They're a bit light on bracelet sales, heavy on shooting people--I'm sure they're open for suggestions, though. |
Actually I was in the airforce and I can tell you that there are a good number of infantry who get off on killing people who join.
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kmisho
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | The evil coercive government with the gun steals my freedoms; restricts me from taking jobs that I want to take... calling them illegal or what have you.
I should have every right to be a contract killer. I could setup my contract killing company. I could then sell health insurance to people. Not in the normal idea of health insurance but rather simply protection from being killed by my company.
If my company is getting slow business. Which is unlikely. I should have every right to sell products which dont exist... using the influence and fear of contract killers to force people to buy them. For example I can sell something like a QRay bracelet which is just a piece of wire... and say that it makes you immune to bullets and that if you dont buy one we will show how allergic to bullets that they are. |
Why would I ever support you? If rational people condone this sort of behavior, then perhaps government is needed. It is analogous to people who need the bible to prevent kicking babies in the head. Some people need religion and government. Others are better off without it. |
Why would you support it? Easy. If you have stock in the company, and the company keeps prices down and therefore profits up by using these tactics. Or if you're a consumer of this company's products and appreciate their low prices. Just don't be too open about it. Out of sight, out of mind. As long as everybody in the loop is making money or saving money, the company can do pretty much whatever it wants. If this sounds like an exaggeration, consider that it's only a very slight exaggeration of what we already have today.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| kmisho wrote: | | Why would you support it? |
Yes, why would you? After all: your straight-out-of-hollywood example is a load of shit when you try to apply it when there is no government.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| munky99999 wrote: | | Are you kidding me? Something like 50 people a year in the USA are CAUGHT by police trying to hire an undercover cop as a hitman. |
My concern for a hitman to off me would not increase under anarchy. I am a respectable human being with honest leverage. If someone was to off me, then most likely my friends and family would know who did it and then retaliate.
The hitman and the person who hired them could not "hide behind the law", so therefore they would think twice about offing me. The person who hired the hitman would put their life at serious jeopardy. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| kmisho wrote: | | Why would you support it? Easy. If you have stock in the company, and the company keeps prices down and therefore profits up by using these tactics. Or if you're a consumer of this company's products and appreciate their low prices. Just don't be too open about it. Out of sight, out of mind. As long as everybody in the loop is making money or saving money, the company can do pretty much whatever it wants. If this sounds like an exaggeration, consider that it's only a very slight exaggeration of what we already have today. |
Do you support these companies either with stock or purchases of their goods?
A smart investor would bail and invest elsewhere. A dirty investor would play dirty. Do you really think laws are meant to keep people moral, upright, clean, and righteous? Your above scenario happens all the time under government and governments usually reward and perpetuate this type of behavior.
Why would this happen more under anarchy? Corporation would actually lose power under anarchy since there are no government granted monopolies. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | Are you kidding me? Something like 50 people a year in the USA are CAUGHT by police trying to hire an undercover cop as a hitman. |
My concern for a hitman to off me would not increase under anarchy. I am a respectable human being with honest leverage. If someone was to off me, then most likely my friends and family would know who did it and then retaliate.
The hitman and the person who hired them could not "hide behind the law", so therefore they would think twice about offing me. The person who hired the hitman would put their life at serious jeopardy. |
Lets say I shoot you. I'm 500m+ away. I am careful to either start a fire in the building destroying all evidence; or if im outside I time it so it rains within the next day; destroying all evidence.
wats left? mangled bullet? there's no motive; no murder weapon; no evidence. So yes I would get protection from the law. Then you have to consider... your friends&family dont have a clue who i am; even if they came after me... when would they have the advantage?
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Why would you support it? Easy. If you have stock in the company, and the company keeps prices down and therefore profits up by using these tactics. Or if you're a consumer of this company's products and appreciate their low prices. Just don't be too open about it. Out of sight, out of mind. As long as everybody in the loop is making money or saving money, the company can do pretty much whatever it wants. If this sounds like an exaggeration, consider that it's only a very slight exaggeration of what we already have today. |
Do you support these companies either with stock or purchases of their goods?
A smart investor would bail and invest elsewhere. A dirty investor would play dirty. Do you really think laws are meant to keep people moral, upright, clean, and righteous? Your above scenario happens all the time under government and governments usually reward and perpetuate this type of behavior.
Why would this happen more under anarchy? Corporation would actually lose power under anarchy since there are no government granted monopolies. |
wat government granted monopolies would allow lets say walmart gain power since these monopolies drop?
lottery tickets? you dont realize that there was a huge fraud problem with many lotteries? Not only do they setup lottery tickets so they ultimately win... they didnt circulate the big winners that were supposed to be paid out. So they made big bucks. wat other monopolies are there that would benefit walmart?
On the other side... in real anarchy Umbrella corp would be an pwn monopoly held by force. As it would be legal to bomb your competition.
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Gettin' In Tune
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| munky99999 wrote: | Lets say I shoot you. I'm 500m+ away. I am careful to either start a fire in the building destroying all evidence; or if im outside I time it so it rains within the next day; destroying all evidence.
wats left? mangled bullet? there's no motive; no murder weapon; no evidence. So yes I would get protection from the law. Then you have to consider... your friends&family dont have a clue who i am; even if they came after me... when would they have the advantage? |
Then you would be a good sniper, but my friends and family would have a very good inclination on WHO hired you. The person WHO hired you, would be putting HIS/HER life at danger.
The sniper is just the middle man. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | Lets say I shoot you. I'm 500m+ away. I am careful to either start a fire in the building destroying all evidence; or if im outside I time it so it rains within the next day; destroying all evidence.
wats left? mangled bullet? there's no motive; no murder weapon; no evidence. So yes I would get protection from the law. Then you have to consider... your friends&family dont have a clue who i am; even if they came after me... when would they have the advantage? |
Then you would be a good sniper, but my friends and family would have a very good inclination on WHO hired you. The person WHO hired you, would be putting HIS/HER life at danger.
The sniper is just the middle man. |
500m isnt much of a sniper. The completely standard rifle for the canadian forces is effective to 400m and with a good rifleman can be extended much beyond that. This is without any sights on it. The standard issue C7A2 has an optical sight which can be adjusted for 200m and 400m ranges. Giving you adjustable settings that allow you excellent accuracy out to 500m easily.
Now Baddogma on this board has an AR15 with a nice optical sight. He is also an "expert marksman" so I could bet you he could BOOM Headshot you from 500m away easily with his rifle.
Honestly though. I find it hard to believe your family and friends get to know quite a bit of detail on everyone you ever meet. I really doubt they would have any clue as to who got a hit out on you.
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Gettin' In Tune
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| munky99999 wrote: | | Honestly though. I find it hard to believe your family and friends get to know quite a bit of detail on everyone you ever meet. I really doubt they would have any clue as to who got a hit out on you. |
I am not that egotistical in believing that everyone that I met would want to off me. Most likely it would be a close a relationship that my friends and family were aware of. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | Honestly though. I find it hard to believe your family and friends get to know quite a bit of detail on everyone you ever meet. I really doubt they would have any clue as to who got a hit out on you. |
I am not that egotistical in believing that everyone that I met would want to off me. Most likely it would be a close a relationship that my friends and family were aware of. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396537,00.html
Not provoked, no reason to do it.
I'm currently hurting pretty bad; my rib is broken I think... because I believed somebody I met wouldnt attack me. It isnt egotistical to think people with less then a perfect relationship with you would put a hit out on you. Hell it's really egotistical to think you're such a great guy that you have like no enemies. Especially hidden enemies. I've had my fair share of hidden enemies. Those who would act like they are my friend but really hate me.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| munky99999 wrote: | | Not provoked, no reason to do it. |
And this happened under a government that you support. Stop building a strawman. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Why I am an Anarcho-Capitalist now. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | Not provoked, no reason to do it. |
And this happened under a government that you support. Stop building a strawman. |
what strawman? I never misrepresented your position. You made the statement that nobody ever kills without a close relationship. This is a story which contradicts that statement. It doesnt matter what government is in place toward this point.
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| Quote: | | a good number of infantry who get off on killing people who join. |
How many makes "a good number"?
I served with a few hundred Vietnam Vets . I met a handful who seemed to have actually killed another human being. . I met one who others claimed enjoyed killing .He denied it. The consensus was he was a dangerous lunatic.
I wouldn't do so far as to judge someone who had the ability to kill without remorse. The major clinical label for a person lacking empathy and conscience is "sociopath". Such a person is often psychotic. Not that I'm even SUGGESTING such a thing of you 
I'm not at all sure you have the personality .Sociopaths tend to be charming, affable people ,liked by everyone. You know,like Dexter.
So long as I'm in Australia, and you're in Canada,I don't care a whole lot. (OK,at all) .
By all means become a hit man,I'm sure the Mounties will enjoy shooting YOU.  |
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