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Vyrian
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I see a major flaw with Any form of Anarchy.
Here's a question for you.
What will the anarchists do about things such as Building Roads, Dealing with foreign Affairs, building homes and companies. Hospitals. Dispersing of currency.
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | emo butthurt wrote: | | Help! I have no dick! I'm such a fucking emo that when I did my daily cutting, I cut off my dick! |
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You guys have to admit that you LOL'd when you read this.
munky,
In classic munky style, you've taken your little twig and stirred up the ant-hill. Well done, sir.
For what it's worth:
I'm not an anarcho-capitalist but I'm so close to that end of the spectrum that it wouldn't offend me if you called me one.
In my ideal society, government is for military, roads and police. The latter pretty much takes care of munky's side business  Laws would be written for the people, by the people, but could in no way infringe upon the liberty or rights of any individuals, and that includes monetarily.
...It's a work in progress, but I think it makes for a nice rough draft of the perfection that is Mr_Ceetopia. |
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Vyrian wrote: | I see a major flaw with Any form of Anarchy.
Here's a question for you.
What will the anarchists do about things such as Building Roads, Dealing with foreign Affairs, building homes and companies. Hospitals. Dispersing of currency. |
You do realize that for most of history, roads, homes, hospitals, and currency were dealt with by private companies, right? You're not so blindly ignorant that you didn't know that, right? And you're not so dependant on Daddy God...I mean....Daddy State that you can't conceive of how things might work with private companies, right?
As for foreign affairs: that's on the state.
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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lol mr_c
Ya I was digging the foundation to a workshop in the backyard and i was squating with the trench infront of me and i was digging with the wheelbarrow infront also a few feet ahead. I was stupid and when to lift but i lifted with my back and not my legs. Pulled out my back. Hurts like a motherfucker so I'm just sitting around on my comp now.
Anyway I've changed my character around a little bit now that im back this time. I'm a serial killer like kind of guy now. I'm all for death of society and people. Then I thought about anarcho-capitalism and hey... in their society it would be perfectly fine for me to be an assassin so I had to make a thread  .
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Vyrian wrote: | I see a major flaw with Any form of Anarchy.
Here's a question for you.
What will the anarchists do about things such as Building Roads, Dealing with foreign Affairs, building homes and companies. Hospitals. Dispersing of currency. |
You do realize that for most of history, roads, homes, hospitals, and currency were dealt with by private companies, right? You're not so blindly ignorant that you didn't know that, right? And you're not so dependant on Daddy God...I mean....Daddy State that you can't conceive of how things might work with private companies, right?
As for foreign affairs: that's on the state. |
I could just imagine all the toll booths on every corner that you have to stop at just to get to work. Fuck I could just imagine the traffic jams then...
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Vyrian wrote: | I see a major flaw with Any form of Anarchy.
Here's a question for you.
What will the anarchists do about things such as Building Roads, Dealing with foreign Affairs, building homes and companies. Hospitals. Dispersing of currency. |
The thing with reality is that generally you have 4 forms of government. Some places more or less but generally 4.
Federal level
Provinicial/State level
Local/Municipal level
Property owner level
Anarchists want to abolish the 3 levels obviously no property owners... as property rights are a big thing.
So you are essentially left with tiny little countries who have allodial control over their land. Meaning you can do whatever the hell you want. So literally your relationship with your neighbour becomes foreign affairs. You could literally declare war on your neighbour and take his land. The problem is that the entire world has to become anarchist or anarchists will get fucked up.
Lets say Mexico were to vote and become the perfect ideal anarchist society that knob wants. What is to stop the USA from spreading democracy and going to war in mexico? Fuck USA would be more interested in going to war there rather then around the world and in iraq. The mexican army is a federally funded thing... eliminate federal government and you get no army... the best defense mexico can put up is land-owners and such getting arms to fight the army in the street... oh right exactly like the taliban and such in iraq.
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tl;dr
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munky99999
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Collect every "tl,dr" post online, and you'll have a good estimate of the number of lazy idiots on Earth, who currently have Internet access.
Should really be:
"Too Lazy, Don't Read."
or,
".....I got nut'n!"
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Philosophos
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I'd totally fondle your balls... if you're legal, and if you're hot.
Jus' sayin'...
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| munky99999 wrote: |
Collect every "tl,dr" post online, and you'll have a good estimate of the number of lazy idiots on Earth, who currently have Internet access.
Should really be:
"Too Lazy, Don't Read."
or,
".....I got nut'n!" |
Queue Colin Powell... |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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My view of anarcho-capitalism is called REALITY, not some rose-colored theory designed by tax-dodgers and lazy hypocrites.
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munky99999
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| kmisho wrote: | | My view of anarcho-capitalism is called REALITY, not some rose-colored theory designed by tax-dodgers and lazy hypocrites. |
anarcho-capitalism exists in REALITY?
I dunno I just seem to basically get what anarcho-capitalism entails and it seems to me that being a contract killer would be a legitimate form of occupation.
Do you disagree?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| munky99999 wrote: |
I dunno I just seem to basically get what anarcho-capitalism entails and it seems to me that being a contract killer would be a legitimate form of occupation.
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It's not?
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| munky99999 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | My view of anarcho-capitalism is called REALITY, not some rose-colored theory designed by tax-dodgers and lazy hypocrites. |
anarcho-capitalism exists in REALITY?
I dunno I just seem to basically get what anarcho-capitalism entails and it seems to me that being a contract killer would be a legitimate form of occupation.
Do you disagree? |
A contract killer is someone who violates individuals rights by default. Anarcho-capitalists believe in using force only in self-defense. The contract killer would be the utmost aggressor. Further, murder would be illegal under the laws of anarcho-capitalist regions. If you are in doubt I recommend 'For a New Liberty"
Of course, there would be contract killer in any society, but in the society you referenced such persons would be restrained.For a New Liberty
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Persuasion wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | My view of anarcho-capitalism is called REALITY, not some rose-colored theory designed by tax-dodgers and lazy hypocrites. |
anarcho-capitalism exists in REALITY?
I dunno I just seem to basically get what anarcho-capitalism entails and it seems to me that being a contract killer would be a legitimate form of occupation.
Do you disagree? |
A contract killer is someone who violates individuals rights by default. Anarcho-capitalists believe in using force only in self-defense. The contract killer would be the utmost aggressor. Further, murder would be illegal under the laws of anarcho-capitalist regions. If you are in doubt I recommend 'For a New Liberty"
Of course, there would be contract killer in any society, but in the society you referenced such persons would be restrained.For a New Liberty |
Would this not violate the free-market organization of the society?
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