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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes, this is a difficult question...but interesting.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The universe is under no obligation to us to be easy to understand


I DEMAND MORE EASY UNDERSTANDING AND WILL FILE SUIT IF THE UNIVERSE WILL NOT MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR MY INTELLECTUAL HANDICAP!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

xena wrote:
Yes, this is a difficult question...but interesting.

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its a start.. lol.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

what's intellectual mean?
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

xena wrote:
what's intellectual mean?




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1in·tel·lec·tu·al Listen to the pronunciation of 1intellectual
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\ˌin-tə-ˈlek-chə-wəl, -chəl, -shwəl, -chü(-ə)l\
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1 a: of or relating to the intellect or its use b: developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : rational c: requiring use of the intellect <intellectual>2 a: given to study, reflection, and speculation b: engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect <intellectual>
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Not talking show-off
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Moloth.....
Hardy harrr harrrrrr...ha ha
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aitm wrote:
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I DEMAND MORE EASY UNDERSTANDING AND WILL FILE SUIT IF THE UNIVERSE WILL NOT MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR MY INTELLECTUAL HANDICAP!!


Humor is often so very helpful in getting to the bottom of things, isn't it? The above, IMO, is one of the key reasons religion has lasted so long. Human beings seem to believe their own hype, so to speak, and anything beyond our understanding absolutely, POSITIVELY, CAN NOT REMAIN UNEXPLAINED. One of my primary tenants in life is "I don't know, and thats ok." (see sig for a more eloquent version) I feel quite liberated by accepting that there are some things I just can't know right now.

I would say the leading causes for religions success are:

1. Mortality, and the inability to accept it.
2. Ignorance, and the inability to accept it.
(1 and 2 could be combined, but I think religion insulates the ignorant from far more than just lack of understanding mortality, and the finality of death)
3. Religion has been a very effective method of social control.

In a recent conversation with my father, a guy who astounds me with his insight and broad knowledge base, he suggested that religion may have been manipulated to free those in control from the guilt associated with exercising said control in a manner that hurt, enslaved, or outright massacred millions of people historically. My purpose in posting here was to see if this idea would gain any traction. I have no doubt that this was an effect, but I am pondering the possibility of it being a cause. It seems to me there are far more significant causes (listed above) for religion and its success, but I will continue to give it thought. Thank you all for your input.

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xena wrote:
Looks like we'll all have to rattle our brains for this one then. I shall do some pondering....though the first thought that entered my head was the solstice and how there were very practical reasons for worshipping the sun, without it we'd die. But with all we know now, yep, I agree, we haven't moved on much at all. In fact from sunworshipping to grow crops etc and to worshipping an imaginary being...we've gone backwards I would say.


Xena, I agree wholeheartedly. Worshipping the sun makes infinitely more sense to me than substituting some omniscient, omnipotent super-being. If it would satisfy almighty SOL and mitigate the possibility of global warming, I might just sign up, throw on a cloak, and toss a few virgins into the fire myself.'Cool'

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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xena wrote:
Looks like we'll all have to rattle our brains for this one then. I shall do some pondering....though the first thought that entered my head was the solstice and how there were very practical reasons for worshipping the sun, without it we'd die. But with all we know now, yep, I agree, we haven't moved on much at all. In fact from sunworshipping to grow crops etc and to worshipping an imaginary being...we've gone backwards I would say.


Xena, I agree wholeheartedly. Worshipping the sun makes infinitely more sense to me than substituting some omniscient, omnipotent super-being. If it would satisfy almighty SOL and mitigate the possibility of global warming, I might just sign up, throw on a cloak, and toss a few virgins into the fire myself.'Cool'

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Observations can be made on the sun, making it dangerous for people to believe things about it. Believing in an invisible daddy in the clouds is far safer to believe in, as you can dismiss challenges to your faith far more easily.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Slavery, war, control....Adolf Hitler-now there's a religious man (apparently)

To absolve guilt? In many instances but there are many religious fanatics whose conscience has little to be desired.

I think religion continues to thrive when we, simple beings, lose control-for whatever reason (war, famine, natural disasters, poverty, cruel leaders). It's a safety net for those who need hope when their life is, well, unbearable.

But I guess that's just skimming the surface.

We have progressed so far with technology in such a short space of time and there are still so many people/families who have it ingrained into them 'religion is good...lead the way' and they persecute the vulnerable and needy...for instance, who helps the homeless? The salvation army. They have instant rules and regulations. No smoking, no drinking, no swearing and of course you have to join their church-and that goes for anyone they take in and care for EDIT*(or perhaps that's just certain individual ones-cos they do a lot of good, really...and there's my point again-they will be looked up to and they are first and foremost a religious church)*
That is the meekest form of control I can think of-..but they think they are doing good. They are helping. They are godly and kind. Where's the harm?
Putting it simply, religious people have become so set in their ways, repressed and insecure, that I don't think they even understand the difference between good and bad/evil themselves.
The more they are seen to be doing good and being moral-following their contradictory bible shit (killing/stoning/murder/slavery when it suits)-then religion will continue to be attractive and give a person a sense of purpose and belonging. To feel safe.
Step out of line and you might be stoned to death though................................Smile
It always comes back to power, control, fear and doubt.
But the why before the why-because we think too much.


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That was a bit of a jumbled rant...ha ha
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We've lost our instincts is another. I don't see many animals praying and going to church. They fight for territory and to protect their pack, they kill to eat and just get on with it-life. I've certainly got too much time to think...prattling on. Civilisation-there's no going back.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

But we are living in a remarkable age. Now consider that civilization only 200 years ago is closer to the technology and lifestyle of civilization 3000 years ago than it is to today.(specifically Greek, Roman and such)

Education in the sciences has for the first time reached proportions where it can almost be considered epidemic in modern civilizations. Look at the posters here. Thirty years ago you could not find this many young people so knowledgeable about physics or quantum mechanics and hell I never even heard of the SLOT.

Our educational system is really very good and we are producing a better "human product" through it. The people you hang with, even the ones who consider themselves religious really have NO idea of the religion they adhere to only that they label themselves. Hell they don't read the bible. It will only get better and better as their beliefs grow more and more apathetic to religion. This will pass along to their kids like our parents apathy passed on to us.

Only 50 years ago atheist was nothing more than a follower of the word communist. People didn't even know what it meant. Today we are everywhere! I have great hope for mankind, just reading the posts of some of the younger ones here. Man, I am so impressed with how fuckin brilliant you guys are. Really, I can hardly wait to see what happens the next 50 years, (well other than the obvious fact that I will die)

Knowledge is truly the cure for religion. It and it alone will usher in mankinds next magnificent walk. Push education whenever you can.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

quote thing 'But we are living in a remarkable age. Now consider that civilization only 200 years ago is closer to the technology and lifestyle of civilization 3000 years ago than it is to today.(specifically Greek, Roman and such) '



yeah, sorry to burst your bubble an all, but it would only take one little natural disaster...like an ice age...and we'd be back to square one.
But sure, everything is great for now. Not being nasty honest. I often wonder why civilization has gone back and fore-perhaps it's because of natural disasters.

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