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isixylixsis
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
Eternal hell?
Dont' know.
Judgment?
Yes. |
Ah ha!~
First you say the bible isn't literal and should be taken metaphorical, now you say hell might not be eternal. You've distanced yourself from about 95% of the general Christian population! You Christian new-ager you lol  |
Don't you know that for every percent I distance myself, I get a cool toy at the prize desk? |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| SvZurich wrote: | Well, according the that book you are saved by the following.
1. Faith alone.
2. Works alone.
3. Faith and works.
4. Neither faith nor works (predesitination).
And Xians wonder why we can't believe their damn book. Sheesh. |
A lot of Xians roll a die on this one. The only problem is if it lands on a 5 or 6, no one has told them what to do next... |
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JBCuzISaidSo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | SvZurich wrote: | Well, according the that book you are saved by the following.
1. Faith alone.
2. Works alone.
3. Faith and works.
4. Neither faith nor works (predesitination).
And Xians wonder why we can't believe their damn book. Sheesh. |
A lot of Xians roll a die on this one. The only problem is if it lands on a 5 or 6, no one has told them what to do next... |
It's okay, all they have to do is find the one obscure bible verse or story that fits their personal hopes and dreams for whatever situation arises and they're good.
Jesus is convenient like that!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | I think you're talking about the common people of the world. Even more, would you tell this sort of thing to someone in your family? Could you tell your relatives this when a loved on is in the hospital? |
Loosing someone you love is one thing, but helping people to get over a delusion is another. You're almost saying that if someone claims to be Napoleon then we should say "well he believes he's Napoleon, so we should respect that, we don't want to hurt his feelings." |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| isixylixsis wrote: |
Besides, with God right beside you and willing to give you what you ask for (in clear intent, not saying, "Give me this" when you mean, "Give me this because it has this and that and that." JUST SAY, "God! Give me a wife who gives the best oral sex!" Don't play pious and say, "God give my soul rest with a help meet.") |
I've been saying for years now, "GOD, put 1 billion USD in a Swiss account under my name". It's clear and very specific. Do I guess that God is not beside me and willing to give? |
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| Jutter wrote: | | What will get you to heaven... whatever the regarding manipulator would want you to agree with. Desiring eternal bliss might sound poetic, but there's a sinister drawback. |
Yeah, even eternal bliss would get boring as hell eventually! We'd find ourselves craving suffering just to break the monotany.
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Love that bit. All hail the great prophet George Carlin, the one *true* prophet. I used to pray to joe pesci, but now I pray to George.
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| Shiranu wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | Shiranu wrote: | Isixylixsis, you really believe that, dont you?
Crazy.
How any one can put blind faith in something that is illogical, improbable, impossible, intollerant and is intrepidly homophobic, contradictary and down right moronic is beyond me. |
How anyone can not avoid judgment day by humbling themselves and saying, "I think you're a fucking load of rocks shit God, but I believe you will have the final say on my last day. And before that happens, I'm going to plead for mercy now. Because even though I hate you, and all you stand for, I know you are merciful to those who hate you."
Is beyond me. |
I totally wish you could hear my voice as I say....
Nuuuhuuuttttjooooobbbb!
First off, I dont believe God is a load of rock shit, because I dont believe in him. Once agian, I do not waste my time with non-existant enities, I learned how boring that was when I use to pray to them.
Now, what I want to know is... how the fuck can you NOT avoid judgement day by praying to Thor, Zeus, Isis, Ra, The Juju Over The Mountain, THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MOSNTER? Have you SEEN their holy books? It says if your going to not worship them, then your eternity is going to be all shitty! Thats not cool!!! So you should totally like ask ALL OF THEM for forgiveness, because what if your praying to the wrong god atm? They are going to be PISSSSSSSSSSSED! So, really, like plead mercy from them, because they will make eternity a pain in the ass, and what not! |
I've personally kissed Hank's Ass, so I know I'm going to get a million dollars as soon as I leave town, and Hank will never kick the shit out of me!
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Shiranu
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jkorath wrote: |
Love that bit. All hail the great prophet George Carlin, the one *true* prophet. I used to pray to joe pesci, but now I pray to George. |
I showed my mom that clip, her only response was, "I bet he's up there, with dad, smiling down on us."...
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| Shiranu wrote: |
I showed my mom that clip, her only response was, "I bet he's up there, with dad, smiling down on us."...
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:palmface: ?? Isn't that a joke? I might have said something like that intentionally
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No. She believes that, 100%.
Its fucking pathetic.
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isixylixsis
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
Besides, with God right beside you and willing to give you what you ask for (in clear intent, not saying, "Give me this" when you mean, "Give me this because it has this and that and that." JUST SAY, "God! Give me a wife who gives the best oral sex!" Don't play pious and say, "God give my soul rest with a help meet.") |
I've been saying for years now, "GOD, put 1 billion USD in a Swiss account under my name". It's clear and very specific. Do I guess that God is not beside me and willing to give? |
God is a spirit. Like a continuous function running through all human beings.
And God uses human beings like we use hands and feet.
God says to one person (which is an authoritative head), "Go, do this", and that person tells it to many others, and soon millions have moved from God's first "Go".
However the money gets to you depends on what the body of humanity is willing to do.
It could involve millions of people, who carrying out a single action for each person every day. And you would be dead before you got the money.
And God's spirit is in the spirit of humanity. So to answer your request he has to take his spirit from one of his willing servants who know what's really going on, and transfer it to your request. And because there are millions of Christians in the third world who already give every ounce of energy they have (because they don't have anything material to concern themselves with anyway), God probably has an abundance of energy to devote to finding people who are willing to do the infinitesimally small tasks required to eventually end up as much much dollars on your table.
So pray away. But I doubt you or I could handle that much money.
Oh, and unless your name is out there, God will have to get it to the person in a creative way, since no one listens to God when he directly talks. Probably a tossed out piece of junk mail will get torn apart by some dog, and it'll float its way onto someone's desk, and they're areligious superstitious type, so think there's some reason they found it (which there was, but they'll take the letters in your name to be some cryptogram that they leave their current job to devote all of their available time to solving.
It's hard work being God. |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
Besides, with God right beside you and willing to give you what you ask for (in clear intent, not saying, "Give me this" when you mean, "Give me this because it has this and that and that." JUST SAY, "God! Give me a wife who gives the best oral sex!" Don't play pious and say, "God give my soul rest with a help meet.") |
I've been saying for years now, "GOD, put 1 billion USD in a Swiss account under my name". It's clear and very specific. Do I guess that God is not beside me and willing to give? |
God is a spirit. Like a continuous function running through all human beings.
And God uses human beings like we use hands and feet.
God says to one person (which is an authoritative head), "Go, do this", and that person tells it to many others, and soon millions have moved from God's first "Go".
However the money gets to you depends on what the body of humanity is willing to do.
It could involve millions of people, who carrying out a single action for each person every day. And you would be dead before you got the money.
And God's spirit is in the spirit of humanity. So to answer your request he has to take his spirit from one of his willing servants who know what's really going on, and transfer it to your request. And because there are millions of Christians in the third world who already give every ounce of energy they have (because they don't have anything material to concern themselves with anyway), God probably has an abundance of energy to devote to finding people who are willing to do the infinitesimally small tasks required to eventually end up as much much dollars on your table.
So pray away. But I doubt you or I could handle that much money.
Oh, and unless your name is out there, God will have to get it to the person in a creative way, since no one listens to God when he directly talks. Probably a tossed out piece of junk mail will get torn apart by some dog, and it'll float its way onto someone's desk, and they're areligious superstitious type, so think there's some reason they found it (which there was, but they'll take the letters in your name to be some cryptogram that they leave their current job to devote all of their available time to solving.
It's hard work being God. |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: |
Besides, with God right beside you and willing to give you what you ask for (in clear intent, not saying, "Give me this" when you mean, "Give me this because it has this and that and that." JUST SAY, "God! Give me a wife who gives the best oral sex!" Don't play pious and say, "God give my soul rest with a help meet.") |
I've been saying for years now, "GOD, put 1 billion USD in a Swiss account under my name". It's clear and very specific. Do I guess that God is not beside me and willing to give? |
God is a spirit. Like a continuous function running through all human beings.
And God uses human beings like we use hands and feet.
God says to one person (which is an authoritative head), "Go, do this", and that person tells it to many others, and soon millions have moved from God's first "Go".
However the money gets to you depends on what the body of humanity is willing to do.
It could involve millions of people, who carrying out a single action for each person every day. And you would be dead before you got the money.
And God's spirit is in the spirit of humanity. So to answer your request he has to take his spirit from one of his willing servants who know what's really going on, and transfer it to your request. And because there are millions of Christians in the third world who already give every ounce of energy they have (because they don't have anything material to concern themselves with anyway), God probably has an abundance of energy to devote to finding people who are willing to do the infinitesimally small tasks required to eventually end up as much much dollars on your table.
So pray away. But I doubt you or I could handle that much money.
Oh, and unless your name is out there, God will have to get it to the person in a creative way, since no one listens to God when he directly talks. Probably a tossed out piece of junk mail will get torn apart by some dog, and it'll float its way onto someone's desk, and they're areligious superstitious type, so think there's some reason they found it (which there was, but they'll take the letters in your name to be some cryptogram that they leave their current job to devote all of their available time to solving.
It's hard work being God. |
And I thought that God was omnipotent... I guess I thought wrongly... bummer... |
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isixylixsis
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| josephpalazzo wrote: |
And I thought that God was omnipotent... I guess I thought wrongly... bummer... |
You thought wrong about omnipotence. |
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