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I don't care what anyone believes, but we're in growing danger of theocracy, and that's what the war is about, to me.
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I still think the best is "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine
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Oooh! When you get the list done, I'd dearly love to have it. I am woefully bad at arguing my point. I just get so frustrated my brain freezes!!
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anamoly
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Oooh oooh! I have one, i haven't finished reading....but..this one is the most annoying....
People who can't say the number 666! Like if it comes up at the register as $ 6.66...i see some people just gasp and swallow hard and the point to it. And then the customer gets all gaspy and is like, ooooh that's sooooo unlucky...
IT'S UNLUCKY IF IT'S SLAPPED ON THE HEAD OF THE ANTICHRIST OR THE FOREHEAD OF THE BEAST...or some shit like that.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| anamoly wrote: | Oooh oooh! I have one, i haven't finished reading....but..this one is the most annoying....
People who can't say the number 666! Like if it comes up at the register as $ 6.66...i see some people just gasp and swallow hard and the point to it. And then the customer gets all gaspy and is like, ooooh that's sooooo unlucky...
IT'S UNLUCKY IF IT'S SLAPPED ON THE HEAD OF THE ANTICHRIST OR THE FOREHEAD OF THE BEAST...or some shit like that. |
LOL... that happened to my brother recently... the cashier refused to say the total!
what an ignorant, superstitious way to think.
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I knoooow!  and doesn't it say in the bible, it was teh mark of the beast? Not the mark of the cash register. the cash register ain't gonna kill you and devour your soul for eternal damnation or whatever!
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It's the same with 13. I always get a good laugh when buildings don't have a 13th floor. As if calling the 13th floor, the 14th floor changes the fact that it is 13 levels up. Of course, that's assuming that it being 13 or even 14 levels up makes any difference to "cosmic energies". 
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: What Christian talking points bug the heck out of you? |
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| Silent Dave wrote: | I'm compiling a list of Christian talking points that atheists and agnostics find particularly annoying, so that I can create a compilation of responses to them. Please list as many as you can think of. I'm focusing primarily on evangelical and fundamentalist Christianity here, but talking points from Christians of all stripes are welcome.
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"Atheist don't believe in nothing"
I hate when they say that. one thing and I don't believe in anything.
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http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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Many cities don't have a 13th street as well. (triskaidekaphobia)
Another thing about talking to xians is the "eyewitness" to jebus thing. They bring up Pliny and a few others. You have to pound into their heads what eyewitness means.
Pliny, and the others, were no more an eyewitness to jebus than I am to George Washington.
But it still makes the rounds. |
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ApostateLois
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| Quote: | | "When men took wolves and turned them into dogs, they lost information. This proves that they can never gain information to be more complex, thus evolution is wrong and there must be some kind of design to it." |
Guh?? 
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"When men took wolves and turned them into dogs, they lost information. This proves that they can never gain information to be more complex, thus evolution is wrong and there must be some kind of design to it."
Guh??
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 I needed a laugh tonight!
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| CET wrote: | | Antie wrote: | | - Hell is a self-imposed punishment (God doesn't punish you, you punish yourself) |
Actually, I'd like to hear more of this. It's lightyears better then the standard of someone pointing their finger in your face and condemning you to hell. |
I thought I'd like to tell CET a little more about this as he mentioned was his desire.
God in his infinite love and respect for us gave us the freedom of choice to worship Him or Not. The Not side seems to predominate this forum. That was a risk God was willing to take to have followers who would love Him and worship Him willingly. But the willing part had to be free will. Not forced. God presents the free will of knowing Him as an attractive option to not knowing Him. He doesn't allow us to escape fully from knowing his goodness here on earth as long as we draw breath.
The sun shines on the good and the bad. The sun rises whether you love God or not. The rain falls on the crops in season for the most part causing food for all of us. Wine makes the heart glad for the Not people as well as the Worshipers (providing they haven't unneccessarily added to their religion 100% abstinence which is not indicated in the bible as a requirement.)
In these ways we all experience the goodness of God.
But there are people who don't want to worship God. The people who do want to worship God have a place prepared for them in which they can do so for all eternity. IT is a place in God's holy presence, descirbed as heaven.
Out of respect for those who decide not to worship God, God will create a great chasm that cannot be crossed to seperate them from the ones in his presence who want to do it.
God says that those that are seperated from Him for eternity will regret that decision.
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And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Da 12:2). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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It's like getting what you wanted. Which was not to know God. For eternity that decision will haunt those that get it. Now that seperation from God for eternity is described as the second death in Revelation 20. And it is likened to a lake of fire. It is described as darkness wheras God's presence is described as stepping into the light.
Jesus came to earth to allow you to step into the Light.
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. The Preincarnate Work of Christ 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. The Forerunner of Christ 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. The Rejection of Christ 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
The Acceptance of Christ 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Jn 1:1-13). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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The key is verse six. The darkness does not comprehend the light.
It's hard to comprehend. God has gone the distance for you because if Jesus truly is God as that passage indicates then He died for you. To willing reject Him after all that he has done to try to help you comprehend His love amounts to making your own decision to experience what the Bible calls hell. What daniel called an eternal existence of Contempt.
Pray "Lord Jesus, I Believe, Help me with my unbelief." If you can. He will do it.
Ray,
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| Whitefox wrote: | | CET wrote: | | Antie wrote: | | - Hell is a self-imposed punishment (God doesn't punish you, you punish yourself) |
Actually, I'd like to hear more of this. It's lightyears better then the standard of someone pointing their finger in your face and condemning you to hell. |
I thought I'd like to tell CET a little more about this as he mentioned was his desire.
God in his infinite love and respect for us gave us the freedom of choice to worship Him or Not. The Not side seems to predominate this forum. That was a risk God was willing to take to have followers who would love Him and worship Him willingly. But the willing part had to be free will. Not forced. God presents the free will of knowing Him as an attractive option to not knowing Him. He doesn't allow us to escape fully from knowing his goodness here on earth as long as we draw breath.
The sun shines on the good and the bad. The sun rises whether you love God or not. The rain falls on the crops in season for the most part causing food for all of us. Wine makes the heart glad for the Not people as well as the Worshipers (providing they haven't unneccessarily added to their religion 100% abstinence which is not indicated in the bible as a requirement.)
In these ways we all experience the goodness of God.
But there are people who don't want to worship God. The people who do want to worship God have a place prepared for them in which they can do so for all eternity. IT is a place in God's holy presence, descirbed as heaven.
Out of respect for those who decide not to worship God, God will create a great chasm that cannot be crossed to seperate them from the ones in his presence who want to do it.
God says that those that are seperated from Him for eternity will regret that decision.
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And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Da 12:2). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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It's like getting what you wanted. Which was not to know God. For eternity that decision will haunt those that get it. Now that seperation from God for eternity is described as the second death in Revelation 20. And it is likened to a lake of fire. It is described as darkness wheras God's presence is described as stepping into the light.
Jesus came to earth to allow you to step into the Light.
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. The Preincarnate Work of Christ 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. The Forerunner of Christ 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. The Rejection of Christ 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
The Acceptance of Christ 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The New King James Version. 1982 (Jn 1:1-13). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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The key is verse six. The darkness does not comprehend the light.
It's hard to comprehend. God has gone the distance for you because if Jesus truly is God as that passage indicates then He died for you. To willing reject Him after all that he has done to try to help you comprehend His love amounts to making your own decision to experience what the Bible calls hell. What daniel called an eternal existence of Contempt.
Pray "Lord Jesus, I Believe, Help me with my unbelief." If you can. He will do it.
Ray, |
Wow. How fucked up is it that I, a human, would never think to punish someone for not wanting to worship me? Yeah it is hard to comprehend anyone, much less an Omnipotent being, wanting to create an afterlife that punishes anyone that didn't take on a devotional mindset. That is sick. I mean really fucking sick. You see the average, everday person...not evil, just doing their things as worthy of an eternity of "chasm dwelling" but someone like Jeffery Dahlmer belongs in a much better place because he spent a couple days kissing God's ass.
I wouldn't do that. I am more forgiving, understanding, and tolerant than your God or Jesus then. That is like tossing an Ex into a chasm for the rest of their existence because "well now they get what they want! They don't get to be around me anymore!".
Well good. Now I get to walk around all day thinking "Check me out! I am more emotionally mature than a God!" |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | Wow. How **** up is it that I, a human, would never think to punish someone for not wanting to worship me? Yeah it is hard to comprehend anyone, much less an Omnipotent being, wanting to create an afterlife that punishes anyone that didn't take on a devotional mindset. That is sick. I mean really ***** sick. You see the average, everday person...not evil, just doing their things as worthy of an eternity of "chasm dwelling" but someone like Jeffery Dahlmer belongs in a much better place because he spent a couple days kissing God's ***. I wouldn't do that. I am more forgiving, understanding, and tolerant than your God or Jesus then. That is like tossing an Ex into a chasm for the rest of their existence because "well now they get what they want! They don't get to be around me anymore!". Well good. Now I get to walk around all day thinking "Check me out! I am more emotionally mature than a God!" |
LOL. Don't you think being forced to remain in the presence of someone you don't want to be with is punishment? God isn't going to force you into His presence when all of your life you have stated you don't want to be there. God just eventually gives you what you want, gentleman that He is. But he warns you. It's not really what you want. He also warns that in the last days people will make themselves to be god. That is what you do if in your pride you think yourself better than God. That is what is called blasphemy. It is the unforgivable sin if you die in that state. It is unforgivable becasue you cannot continue to comit it all of your life and expect God to forgive what you have not asked for forgiveness of when you meet him at your divine appointment as described in Revelation 20.
May God smile upon you and help you with your unbelief,
Ray,
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| Whitefox wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | Wow. How **** up is it that I, a human, would never think to punish someone for not wanting to worship me? Yeah it is hard to comprehend anyone, much less an Omnipotent being, wanting to create an afterlife that punishes anyone that didn't take on a devotional mindset. That is sick. I mean really ***** sick. You see the average, everday person...not evil, just doing their things as worthy of an eternity of "chasm dwelling" but someone like Jeffery Dahlmer belongs in a much better place because he spent a couple days kissing God's ***. I wouldn't do that. I am more forgiving, understanding, and tolerant than your God or Jesus then. That is like tossing an Ex into a chasm for the rest of their existence because "well now they get what they want! They don't get to be around me anymore!". Well good. Now I get to walk around all day thinking "Check me out! I am more emotionally mature than a God!" |
LOL. Don't you think being forced to remain in the presence of someone you don't want to be with is punishment? God isn't going to force you into His presence when all of your life you have stated you don't want to be there. God just eventually gives you what you want, gentleman that He is. But he warns you. It's not really what you want. He also warns that in the last days people will make themselves to be god. That is what you do if in your pride you think yourself better than God. That is what is called blasphemy. It is the unforgivable sin if you die in that state. It is unforgivable becasue you cannot continue to comit it all of your life and expect God to forgive what you have not asked for forgiveness of when you meet him at your divine appointment as described in Revelation 20.
May God smile upon you and help you with your unbelief,
Ray, |
Either way you are saying it is acceptable to punish anyone who won't worship you. That is like some weird James Bond villain shit. "Either you agree with me Mr. Bond or you can leave" as the villain indicates the hatch of the submarine. So "Ha Ha Atheist/Non Christians! No matter who you are, the worst of us will go to heaven!". Personally, it doesn't matter to me. I get a kick out of the bizarre ways you guys keep making it up as you go along. It just seems odd that humans are more compassionate than your god, don't you think?
May You Finally Treat Yourself With More Love And Compassion Than Your Invisible Friend Apparently Is Incapable Of,
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