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RyanDzundza Sock Puppet

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Hitler |
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| blackapologetics wrote: | Just because a crazy psycho decides to kill a bunch of people in the name of God, doesn't mean that everyone from that religion is evil.
Just because he misrepresents the faith doesn't mean anything. |
well i hope you tell all your christian friends that just because some dictators were atheists doesnt mean we all want to kill all the religious people in the world,
its a common accusation aimed at us by christian fundies _________________
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rickcopeland648 The Phantom Teabagger

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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | hitler was a confirmed atheist |
Hitler made numerous references to God in speeches. In the film "Triumph of the Will" (which is worth seeing by everyone) the 'Dolpher comes right out and says the Reich could not have been formed by human hands and implies it must have been divinely inspired. Do you think he spoke of God out of sincere belief or simply to manipulate the German populace? _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
-- George W. Bush on Clinton's involvement in Kosovo, 1999
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rickcopeland648 The Phantom Teabagger

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| rickcopeland648 wrote: | John Stossel says "no!"
The discussion is over. |
John Stossel now says "YES!" It seems the great one is getting more and more correct... _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
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Hit_me_up024 Forum Master


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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| rickcopeland648 wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | hitler was a confirmed atheist |
Hitler made numerous references to God in speeches. In the film "Triumph of the Will" (which is worth seeing by everyone) the 'Dolpher comes right out and says the Reich could not have been formed by human hands and implies it must have been divinely inspired. Do you think he spoke of God out of sincere belief or simply to manipulate the German populace? |
People make refernces to god all the time.
and the video i watched was this one
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=richard+dawkins+lynchburg&sitesearch=
i think
| Quote: | | hmm... how could it be that Hit_Me_up was wrong? he's normally so lucid and together!!! |
moloth are you being sarcastic? _________________ KILL the pancake
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Moloth is NEVER sarcastic. _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Naoryunosuke Forum Plebian


Joined: 27 Aug 2008 Posts: 138 Local time: 12:18 PM Location: London, England

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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It's easy to assume that Hitler was a Christian, he was after all brought up a Catholic and in speeches would often talk about his Christianity, but we can't forget about how deceitful he was. He was the kind of man who would have said anything to gain power. He was impressed by the organization and power of the Church, he claimed to have learned from it. In Hitler's eyes Christianity was a religion only fit for slaves, he detested its ethics. He would declare that its teachings were a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.
His ideals of eugenics clearly came from nature, but his hate of the Jews seemed to go much deeper than that of mere scape-goating. He honestly believed that to put our future into the hands of the Jewish would be to doom the human race. Perhaps this is due to his upbringing as a Catholic.
However, Hitler was not an atheist, he truly believed in his own destiny and all he truly wanted was power, emotion to him was the raw material of power, and everything that stood in his way had to be removed.
So I don't think we can call Hitler either a Christian or an atheist, he was a combination of his upbringing, his delusions of grandeur, and his lust for power. His methods were merely incidental to the whole picture. |
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joshuas3521 Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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Who cares what religion he was? He could have easily been christian, he could have easily been using it to manipulate his followers. Makes no difference to me one way or another. _________________ "What I'm saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job." --Carl Sagan
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Naoryunosuke Forum Plebian


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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| joshuas3521 wrote: | | Who cares what religion he was? |
We care, because of Christians who try and peddle him off as an atheist and blame him on us. |
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Eyedunno The Great JuJu at the Bottom of the Sea

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | hmm... how could it be that Hit_Me_up was wrong? |
Anyway, discussions among atheists/theists over whether Hitler was a Catholic, a closet Lutheran, a Teutonic pagan, an atheist, or a Satanist are usually just a big red herring. |
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chookrooter Forum Leader

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | We care, because of Christians who try and peddle him off as an atheist and blame him on us. |
Actually, I don't care what the intellectually impaired believe.
Stalin and Mao caused great misery and suffering AND they happened to be atheist. Atheism does not imply any system of morality ,ethics or ideology.Communism is not antithetical to theism per se, although it has problems with the parisitism of organised religions. So do I..
Of course,I'm talking about Australia,where one may ignore the rabid christian right with impunity.In fact,we're allowed to kill them. Annual licence from your local council offices,$25.No bag limit. Season; December 20th through January 3rd, which is when christians gather in large numbers. Although C4 plastique is banned,we are allowed to throw ONE hand grenade into a church ( available from local council officeces, $149.95)
WOW Really CR
Of course,would I lie? |
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joshuas3521 Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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I'm moving to Australia. _________________ "What I'm saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job." --Carl Sagan
"In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." --Douglas Adams
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chookrooter Forum Leader

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| Quote: | | I'm moving to Australia. |
Please do,(really). Come to South Australia We have a serious skills shortage, across the board,from blue collar to IT .AND a mining boom if you want to earn big money.
Religion isn't usually an issue here. Aussies are wary of people who wear their religion or patriotism on their sleeve,and are mildly distrustful of clergy generally. Politicians are regarded with cynical contempt.
Australia also remains seriously homophobic in real life, although not legally.. |
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SvZurich Loki's Little Valkyrie

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I would love to move to there. Especially if y'all have any Victoria's Biscuits. Been hearing of those all through my Navy service from the sailors who had been in Holy Loch, Scotland, and hopefully since Oz is closer to GB than the US culturally, I can finally try some there.
Plus I believe y'all can get Kilkenny's there. Tried it in Hong Kong and loved it, but isn't sold in the States. _________________ Kimberly (HSBUH) aka
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chookrooter Forum Leader

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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Plus I believe y'all can get Kilkenny's there. |
Yes,and Harp lager and Guinness on tap.
Victoria's Biscuits? Don't know what they are. That doesn't mean we don't have them.We may call them something else. |
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HxC w00t

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| Quote: | | hmm... how could it be that Hit_Me_up was wrong? he's normally so lucid and together!!! |
probly one too many hits..... _________________ there's a reason christians are called "sheep" |
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