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| lumpymunk wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | in other words Moloth, I live a good life simply because I choose to be good, not beause God will punish me if I dont, understand? |
I understand that you're a dishonest piece of shit and that you would like everyone to believe this pile of horse shit (including yourself, because you still haven't quite convinced yourself of it yet).
...but we all fucking know that without the THREAT of HELL and GOD's WRATH you would behave a lot differently.
The morally weak are like that, they need the direction and guidance of a god because they don't know how to fucking act in the absence of a celestial drill sergeant. |
whatever Lumpy
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Newman
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| Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | in other words Moloth, I live a good life simply because I choose to be good, not beause God will punish me if I dont, understand? |
but you DO believe he rewards you for doing what he wants/doing good, though. you've admitted that you became "blessed" when you started living in a 'godly' way. |
Godly was as in I accepted him, yes
I dont believe he rewards me for doing good things, I am not perfect, I make mistakes and still blessed. |
well, there you go. you started living 'right' and he rewarded you. you're moral because of reward, NOT because its the right thing to do. |
nope, I understand why you missunderstand that, le tme explain.
non of my morals changed, the only real change was going to church (not moral) and tithing (not moral) |
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thats not what you said before, Newman. you told us all about how you were living an immoral life before "Jesus found you". once you started following Jesus, all of your life began to fall in correct place and you counted that as him blessing you. |
did have a bad life, not immoral, very different, can be close but not the same
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Newman
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| lumpymunk wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | in other words Moloth, I live a good life simply because I choose to be good, not beause God will punish me if I dont, understand? |
I understand that you're a dishonest piece of shit and that you would like everyone to believe this pile of horse shit (including yourself, because you still haven't quite convinced yourself of it yet).
...but we all fucking know that without the THREAT of HELL and GOD's WRATH you would behave a lot differently.
The morally weak are like that, they need the direction and guidance of a god because they don't know how to fucking act in the absence of a celestial drill sergeant. |
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Moloth
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| Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | in other words Moloth, I live a good life simply because I choose to be good, not beause God will punish me if I dont, understand? |
but you DO believe he rewards you for doing what he wants/doing good, though. you've admitted that you became "blessed" when you started living in a 'godly' way. |
Godly was as in I accepted him, yes
I dont believe he rewards me for doing good things, I am not perfect, I make mistakes and still blessed. |
well, there you go. you started living 'right' and he rewarded you. you're moral because of reward, NOT because its the right thing to do. |
nope, I understand why you missunderstand that, le tme explain.
non of my morals changed, the only real change was going to church (not moral) and tithing (not moral) |
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thats not what you said before, Newman. you told us all about how you were living an immoral life before "Jesus found you". once you started following Jesus, all of your life began to fall in correct place and you counted that as him blessing you. |
did have a bad life, not immoral, very different, can be close but not the same |
how was it "bad", if not "immoral"??
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| ApostateLois wrote: | | Quote: | | The world is not in chaos, no? Neither plant, nor animal, nor man. All are in semblance of order just as the universe. |
What are you talking about? There is chaos everywhere, from exploding stars to random birth defects. Animal species thrive for millions of years, only to be obliterated by a meteor impact or some other disaster, and then new life evolves only to disappear in the next major extinction event. China and Myanmar are reeling under the latest natural disasters. Tens of thousands of children die every day for lack of food, water, and medicine. You'd have to be living in an underground cavern to be blind to the disorderliness that happens everywhere, every day, and for no reason. |
Chaos is quite different from the confusion of men in the midst of a traumatic event. The universe has a distinct order of natural laws that govern it. Those laws drill deeper into the very existence and balance of all life. Now, if you want to argue a chaos theory, that is supposedly at odds with evolution. So get back to me on that.
| ApostateLois wrote: | | Quote: | | He's not experimenting to "see what happens". God has created man to spend eternity with Him. |
Well, assuming God exists and created anything at all, then obviously he did NOT create humans to spend eternity with him, or that is what we would be doing right now, instead of mucking about on this mudball in space. |
That's what were doing now; making individual choices as to where we will spend eternity. Choose God or reject Him. That's your choice.
| ApostateLois wrote: | | Quote: | What is better...
do good because if you do, you will be rewarded and if you do bad, you'll be punished.
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do good simply because its the right, moral thing to do.
and... as far as morality and religion goes.. yeah...
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You're offering three choices: reward, punishment, right thing to do. All three are considered sin as they rely upon works of self righteousness to achieve recognition, escape judgment, or self exultation. According to Jesus, God alone is good. The good works referred to by James speak of the outward manifestation of God indwelling the believer. The glory and honor for good works goes to God because it is He who works in us and through us to be seen of men outwardly for His purposes.
Another way to say it is, people can see the Holy Spirit living within us as a witness to God. The believer serves God by His strength and power (not our own) and the world sees it. God then receives the glory for the good works. Note:
Matthew 5:16 (KJV)
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
John 10:25 (KJV)
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37-38 (KJV)
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
| Quote: | how many wars, jihads, inquisitions, witchhunts, genocides and etc have been done in the name of religion? of atheism?
Did Missionary ever actually answer these questions? |
Well, I got a list. It's a smokin' gun list too. Less than 26% of all wars are religious. Don't make me go lookin for my list, but I will If you want.  |
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | in other words Moloth, I live a good life simply because I choose to be good, not beause God will punish me if I dont, understand? |
but you DO believe he rewards you for doing what he wants/doing good, though. you've admitted that you became "blessed" when you started living in a 'godly' way. |
Godly was as in I accepted him, yes
I dont believe he rewards me for doing good things, I am not perfect, I make mistakes and still blessed. |
well, there you go. you started living 'right' and he rewarded you. you're moral because of reward, NOT because its the right thing to do. |
nope, I understand why you missunderstand that, le tme explain.
non of my morals changed, the only real change was going to church (not moral) and tithing (not moral) |
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thats not what you said before, Newman. you told us all about how you were living an immoral life before "Jesus found you". once you started following Jesus, all of your life began to fall in correct place and you counted that as him blessing you. |
did have a bad life, not immoral, very different, can be close but not the same |
how was it "bad", if not "immoral"?? |
apologies Moloth, busy
you can have a Bad life, being down and out without being immoral
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so, it was more an issue of your 'luck', then?
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Newman
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| Moloth wrote: | | so, it was more an issue of your 'luck', then? |
dont believe in luck but for arguments sake, yes
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Amberli
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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God can take his rules and shove them up his gigantic, invisible ass.  I am a good person..still with faults, but basically good. If that's not good enough, oh fucking well. 
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I'm not a boy, and my mom is dead. 
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Newman
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Amberli wrote: | | God can take his rules and shove them up his gigantic, invisible ass. I am a good person..still with faults, but basically good. If that's not good enough, oh fucking well. |
morals are a fraction of what God wants
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| Newman wrote: | | morals are a fraction of what God wants |
Well then he's too needy for my tastes.
No worries Joseph. 
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Newman
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| Amberli wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | morals are a fraction of what God wants |
Well then he's too needy for my tastes.
No worries Joseph. |
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