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    Dont be afraid. I wouldnt hurt you. LOL |
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holy crap, AiiA! O_o
welp... time to get out the pitchforks and torches.
*gets out the pitchforks and torches and begins handing them out*
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*backs a way from AiiA slowly*
*sees Moloth's mob*
*ponders*
*joins mob*
Death to the fascist!
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Klarky
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Last time I took this test, about 5 years ago, I was a much more left leaning libertarian 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | holy crap, AiiA! O_o
welp... time to get out the pitchforks and torches.
*gets out the pitchforks and torches and begins handing them out* |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian = -10.00
Economic Left/Right = -10.00
Anarchist 
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Mr_C
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Cobrax wrote: | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian = -10.00
Economic Left/Right = -10.00
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I call BS
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Cobrax wrote: | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian = -10.00
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Wouldn't an anarchist be +10 economically? |
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| Quote: | | Wouldn't an anarchist be +10 economically? |
No. Anarchists are anti-capitalist. Anarchists reject hierarchy, while capitalism is hierarchical. Under capitalism one minority group of people, the capitalist class, owns all of the means of life. In order to survive, everyone else has to do what they say. When you have the bread, you have the power. So the working class, meaning everyone else, produces everything, while the capitalist class owns everything. What do the workers get? A wage. A small percentage of what they actually produced. Hence, capitalism is inherently exploitative and hierarchical.
My version of Anarchism, anarcho-communism, envisions a society based on voluntary cooperation among free individuals. A federated society of voluntary collectives and communes, directly democratic in both social and economic terms. Goods and services are collectively produced by the workers themselves, and each individual is free to satisfy his or her needs. A directly democratic planned economy based on workers and consumers councils. A non-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian libertarian socialist, ie anarchist, society.
However, I know that there are some capitalist-libertarians here who would disagree with me, but this is not really the thread to debate this issue.
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I was under the impression that anarchism simply meant free from government. In which case, there would be zero government legislation on any type of business, and thus a true free market would arrise. Anti-capitalism = communism as far as I'm concerned.
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Klarky
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| SalsaShark wrote: | | I was under the impression that anarchism simply meant free from government. In which case, there would be zero government legislation on any type of business, and thus a true free market would arrise. Anti-capitalism = communism as far as I'm concerned. |
Salsa I'd pretty much agree with you there, but many Anarcho-communists like to shelter the word "Anarchism" from what they see as bastardisation by those nasty anarcho-capitalists.
Notice Cobrax referring to anarcho-capitalists as "capitalist-libertarians". This is probably because he sees the exchange between employer and employee as hierarchical and probably exploitative and therefore not truly free. I would of course take him up on this very Marxist description of the economic relationship between those that sell their labour and those that buy it, but that discussion has been done to death on the old IG boards.
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Sal1981
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
yup, I'm a pinko commie alright.
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Sal1981
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| Klarky wrote: | | SalsaShark wrote: | | I was under the impression that anarchism simply meant free from government. In which case, there would be zero government legislation on any type of business, and thus a true free market would arrise. Anti-capitalism = communism as far as I'm concerned. |
Salsa I'd pretty much agree with you there, but many Anarcho-communists like to shelter the word "Anarchism" from what they see as bastardisation by those nasty anarcho-capitalists.
Notice Cobrax referring to anarcho-capitalists as "capitalist-libertarians". This is probably because he sees the exchange between employer and employee as hierarchical and probably exploitative and therefore not truly free. I would of course take him up on this very Marxist description of the economic relationship between those that sell their labour and those that buy it, but that discussion has been done to death on the old IG boards. |
Hmm, I would say depends on how much they get for their labour and if their labour choices (or whatever) is restricted within one designated function (only do one typical job).
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Yellow_Number_Five
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| Cobrax wrote: | | Quote: | | Wouldn't an anarchist be +10 economically? |
No. Anarchists are anti-capitalist. |
No sir. Ask an anachro-capitalist or even some of the further right leaning libertarians such as myself. You can embrace capitalism and civil liberty, they are certainly not mutually exclusive.
| Quote: | | Anarchists reject hierarchy, while capitalism is hierarchical. Under capitalism one minority group of people, the capitalist class, owns all of the means of life. In order to survive, everyone else has to do what they say. When you have the bread, you have the power. So the working class, meaning everyone else, produces everything, while the capitalist class owns everything. What do the workers get? A wage. A small percentage of what they actually produced. Hence, capitalism is inherently exploitative and hierarchical. |
That could not be furthur from the truth. In a true free market, ideally there are no restrictions on who can work for whom, who can make what, what can be made, where it can be made, etc. You seem to advocate anarchy coupled with socialism, and that certainly seems to be oxymoronic to me, at least.
| Quote: | My version of Anarchism, anarcho-communism, envisions a society based on voluntary cooperation among free individuals. A federated society of voluntary collectives and communes, directly democratic in both social and economic terms. Goods and services are collectively produced by the workers themselves, and each individual is free to satisfy his or her needs. A directly democratic planned economy based on workers and consumers councils. A non-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian libertarian socialist, ie anarchist, society.
However, I know that there are some capitalist-libertarians here who would disagree with me, but this is not really the thread to debate this issue. |
Yeah, this isn't the thread to hash it out in. If you want to make a thread on it, feel free.
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