Moloth
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| Ivan_Ivanov wrote: |
I'm not that good with history, so someone better versed might make a better argument, but...:
- Slavery was becoming economically obsolete. Why do you think the north didn't have slavery? You think it's because they were more moral?
- The Civil War itself killed lots of people (of all races on both sides) and ruined the economy (again making people of all races worse off).
- This may be a bit far-fetched, but with states being stronger relative to the federal government then they are now, it's possible they'd oppose the Hoover-Roosevelt New Deal, and that in turn would mean no Great Depression. |
1. no, it wasn't. not for the South. they were still making shit tons of money exporting tobacco, cotton and rice to the North and, more heavily, back to Britain. Yes, the North DID find slavery distasteful.. but it wasn't out of love for the "Negroe" slaves. the North had more worldly ties and a more contemporary culture. Slavery was out of style for them and the most of the 'civilized' world at the time. besides, 'free labor' was so repressive it might as well have been slavery. instead of chains, it was wages.
2. err.. War is bad. yes, we know. However, the reconstruction afterwards can improve a country to better tham where it was before. Germany and Japan seemed to have done okay after WWII, for instance.
3. You're claiming that the New Deal CAUSED the Great Depression?
hm... from Wiki:
"The New Deal was the title that President Franklin Roosevelt gave to a sequence of programs and promises he initiated between 1933 and 1938 with the goal of giving relief to the poor, reform of the financial system, and recovery of the economy during the Great Depression."
perhaps your time-line is slightly off?
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Jason_Harvestdancer
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The problem with the New Deal and the Great Depression is that people fail to differentiate between the slide down and the staying down. That's why I sometimes refer to the first year of the Great Depression as the Great Recession.
It was the New Deal (started under Hoover, an activist president in economic matters) that turned the Great Recession into the Great Depression.
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