Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist, syndicated columnist and author of the New York Times and international bestseller, The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. Published worldwide in September 2007, The Shock Doctrine is set to be translated into 25 languages to date. The six minute companion film, created by Alfonso Cuaron, director of Children of Men, was an Official Selection of the 2007 Venice and Toronto International Film Festivals and was a viral phenomenon, downloaded over a million times.
Her previous book No Logo: Taking Aim at the Brand Bullies was also an international bestseller, translated into over 28 languages with more than a million copies in print. A collection of her work, Fences and Windows: Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Globalization Debate was published in 2002.
Naomi Klein writes a regular column for The Nation and The Guardian that is syndicated internationally by The New York Times Syndicate. In 2004, her reporting from Iraq for Harper’s Magazine won the James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. In 2004, she released The Take, a feature documentary about Argentina’s occupied factories, co-produced with director Avi Lewis. The film was an official selection of the Venice Biennale and won the Best Documentary Jury Prize at the American Film Institute’s Film Festival in Los Angeles.
She is a former Miliband Fellow at the London School of Economics and holds an honorary Doctor of Civil Laws from the University of King’s College, Nova Scotia. _________________ An artist sees beauty in a painting. I see beauty in a logical proof.
"All error is due to extraneous factors, reason itself does not err"
~Kurt Gödel
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject:
Interesting video. Was listening to it while I played video games for the last two hours.
My favorite part was when that asshole 9/11 conspiracy nut was disrespectful to her because she didn't give him the, "yes, it was a conspiracy and I can prove it" answer he wanted. *Sigh* activists.... _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
Celebrant: Forgive us, Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying.
Congregation: And bare-faced flattery.
--Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject:
I really dont get the whole, "OMG THE GOV'T LIEK TOTALLY BOMBED US ON 9/11" idiots. Were incompetent, head-up-their-ass morons? Yes. Put bombs in the buildings with no one knowing, etc. etc. ... its the U.S. gov't for fucks sake, too lazy; didn't do. _________________ "I Cant Pass Up This Opportunity To Make Myself Observed, I Cant Pass Up This Opportunity To Let Myself Be Heard..." - Seether, Out Of My Way
"Hold me now I need to feel complete...Like I matter to the one I need...I'm so afraid of the gift you give me...I don't belong here and I'm not well. I'm so ashamed of the lie I'm living, i'm right on the wrong side of it all...and I so ashamed of this...yes I am so ashamed of me" Seether - The Gift
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Klein somehow believes that the puppet dictatorship in Iraq, using de facto martial law, is capitalist.
That says it all right there.
Wait, do you mean before we invaded? Or are you saying the government there now is a puppet dictatorship? Its ostensibly democratic isn't it? Or does the Iraqi president have waay too much power so that its basically a dictatorship?
Yeah, i know I should be up to speed on this stuff _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
Celebrant: Forgive us, Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying.
Congregation: And bare-faced flattery.
--Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject:
Chaoslord, Do you read The Nation? _________________ K Michau
Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject:
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Klein somehow believes that the puppet dictatorship in Iraq, using de facto martial law, is capitalist.
That says it all right there.
jkorath wrote:
Wait, do you mean before we invaded? Or are you saying the government there now is a puppet dictatorship?
Have you any doubt that the US is pulling the strings in the Iraqi government, and that the "reforms" are merely facades? _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:
kmisho wrote:
Chaoslord, Do you read The Nation?
I read some of the articles online. I want to subscribe to it, but my mail carrier is an incompetent douchebag. Its a fantastic magazine at any rate. _________________ An artist sees beauty in a painting. I see beauty in a logical proof.
"All error is due to extraneous factors, reason itself does not err"
~Kurt Gödel
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject:
Now, I have Knight blocked, but I am going to assume he is saying "disaster capitalism" isn't really capitalism. I agree, as does Naomi Klein. In fact, she even called it "crony capitalism." I think some forms of capitalism can be just; I am not anti-capitalist. _________________ An artist sees beauty in a painting. I see beauty in a logical proof.
"All error is due to extraneous factors, reason itself does not err"
~Kurt Gödel
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject:
Actually, Klein states that it is capitalism, but we won't bother the coward with facts. He'll just pout some more. _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject:
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Klein somehow believes that the puppet dictatorship in Iraq, using de facto martial law, is capitalist.
That says it all right there.
jkorath wrote:
Wait, do you mean before we invaded? Or are you saying the government there now is a puppet dictatorship?
Have you any doubt that the US is pulling the strings in the Iraqi government, and that the "reforms" are merely facades?
Thanks for clarifying. So its kind of like how the jews run the US Government even though supposedly we're a democracy? (I'm kidding)
Well, I just don't know enough about the way the iraqi government is working to weigh in on whether or not your assertion is correct. Although I normally would take "puppet dictatorship" to mean a dictatorship that is controlled by another country, not an ostensible democracy that is controlled by external forces such that its a "de facto dictatorship" as you are saying. Seems kind of weird to call a country a dictatorship when there's no individual dictator who acts as such.
As to the question of whether I have any doubt or not, I must say I do have doubt. But only by default because I just haven't seen the evidence (which is to say, i'm an ignoramus ). But I'm usually skeptical of arguments that there's some secret dark room full of men smoking cigars that are "pulling the strings" of any government because every whacky conspiracy theorist thinks there is some secret group of illuminati controlling things. That doesn't mean its not the case, but they rarely provide evidence.
But there is little doubt that the "reforms" are merely facades because in my experience that's the definition of "political reform" - the opposite of reform dressed up as reform. *sigh* politics.
Chaoslord:
I used to get The Nation but haven't for some time. I liked it when I got it, which was during the year before the 2004 presidential elections. I really enjoyed their analysis of the election that year as they were very critical of the democratic party's campaign and strategy. They didn't pretend like Kerry was a shoe-in or that the anybody-but-bush argument was going to win voters. Maybe if the ineptocrats had paid more attention they wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them. *sigh* democrats. _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
Celebrant: Forgive us, Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying.
Congregation: And bare-faced flattery.
--Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:
jkorath wrote:
Chaoslord:
I used to get The Nation but haven't for some time. I liked it when I got it, which was during the year before the 2004 presidential elections. I really enjoyed their analysis of the election that year as they were very critical of the democratic party's campaign and strategy. They didn't pretend like Kerry was a shoe-in or that the anybody-but-bush argument was going to win voters. Maybe if the ineptocrats had paid more attention they wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them. *sigh* democrats.
The hoodwinkery of the US political system would make any other totalitarian regime weep. The democrats and republicans have managed to convince the general public they are two parties with a sharp delineation. This is quite a task, since all available evidence points to the contrary claim: they are two sides of the same coin. _________________ An artist sees beauty in a painting. I see beauty in a logical proof.
"All error is due to extraneous factors, reason itself does not err"
~Kurt Gödel
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject:
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Klein somehow believes that the puppet dictatorship in Iraq, using de facto martial law, is capitalist.
That says it all right there.
jkorath wrote:
Wait, do you mean before we invaded? Or are you saying the government there now is a puppet dictatorship?
Knight_of_BAAWA wrote:
Have you any doubt that the US is pulling the strings in the Iraqi government, and that the "reforms" are merely facades?
jkorath wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. So its kind of like how the jews run the US Government even though supposedly we're a democracy? (I'm kidding)
No j00!
jkorath wrote:
Well, I just don't know enough about the way the iraqi government is working to weigh in on whether or not your assertion is correct. Although I normally would take "puppet dictatorship" to mean a dictatorship that is controlled by another country, not an ostensible democracy that is controlled by external forces such that its a "de facto dictatorship" as you are saying. Seems kind of weird to call a country a dictatorship when there's no individual dictator who acts as such.
No, for this is a dictatorship of the few.
jkorath wrote:
As to the question of whether I have any doubt or not, I must say I do have doubt. But only by default because I just haven't seen the evidence (which is to say, i'm an ignoramus :wink:). But I'm usually skeptical of arguments that there's some secret dark room full of men smoking cigars that are "pulling the strings" of any government because every whacky conspiracy theorist thinks there is some secret group of illuminati controlling things.
This is simply one government controlling another, much like the Manchukuo "emperor" was a puppet of Japan. _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:
Yeah, right out of high school I decided the republican party was full of shit. (I was raised by Republicans). So naturally I drifted towards the Democrat party. Didn't take me very long to realize they were also full of shit.
I'm a proud independent now and have been for many years. I'm very skeptical of both parties and that's the only rational way to go imho. I get really tired of people who are members of the republican cult or the democrat cult, which is what they are to their core members. faith in any political party is so destructive.
Seems so childish, but kind of understandable. You get to abdicate your responsibility that way. Just like theists like to abdicate their responsibility to decide morality for themselves. Easier to just put your faith in a bunch of people who have already supposedly figured everything out.
When you realize what a joke the whole politics game is its really hard not to just be complacent though, which is pretty close to what I am. I like to mock, point and laugh at the politicians but as Ms. Klein points out, that really gets us nowhere. The republicans and democrats together have us by the balls and we need to weaken BOTH parties as much as possible.
Things the democrats and republicans always agree on:
(1) Our political system is completely legitimate
(2) Politicians deserve pay increases on a ridiculously regular basis. In fact, its always the first thing they do in response to a fiscal crisis on the national, state and local levels.
(3) Its a good thing that so many seats are locked in and uncontested because they've already drawn up the political map such that they can safely ignore the majority of the country.
(4) Strong third parties don't belong in our political system
(5) Try to shrink government when your party is not in power, expand it with a vengeance when your party IS in power.
(6) Principles are no good. Pretend to have them but never act on them.
wow, i think I could go on for much longer, but i'll stop now. _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
Celebrant: Forgive us, Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying.
Congregation: And bare-faced flattery.
--Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
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). But I'm usually skeptical of arguments that there's some secret dark room full of men smoking cigars that are "pulling the strings" of any government because every whacky conspiracy theorist thinks there is some secret group of illuminati controlling things. That doesn't mean its not the case, but they rarely provide evidence.
