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Chaoslord2004
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And for Chaoslord's edification, I shall even post his credentials |
I was asking for YOUR credentials, but whatever. I'll take what I can get.
To undermine Rawlsian political liberalism one must undercut Rawls' original position and/or the assumptions he brings into the original position. Rawls' principles of justice follow logically from his original position. The original position is intuitively just. However, it might not be. I think it is, but I could be wrong.
So...what is unjust about Rawls' original position?
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Chaoslord2004
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | I'm simply stating that I actually know something about economics, |
Right, you do state that, but with all evidence to the contrary. You seem to confuse our disagreeing with YOUR economic theory with ignorance of economics all together.
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| Quote: | | I'm simply stating that I actually know something about economics, as opposed to someone like CL, kmisho--and you. |
The keyword above is "stating." You have yet to show us your diplomas. Would you go into an interview and simply state that you knew how to do a task? I doubt it. In fact, your assertion remains an assertion despite your total belief in its truthfulness.
Prove it, poseur.
I am stating that I know as much as you. My statement has as much weight as your until such time as we compare our credentials.
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| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And for Chaoslord's edification, I shall even post his credentials |
So...what is unjust about Rawls' original position? |
That it doesnt match with what was set forth by the prophet von Mises. Lulz.
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Chaoslord2004
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| Persuasion wrote: | | I am stating that I know as much as you. My statement has as much weight as your until such time as we compare our credentials. |
See, but you disagree with knight's economic theory, so almost by definition you know nothing about economics. Just like developmentalist economists knew nothing about economics...
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Let's just all calm down, take a deep breath and go finger bang our cats. Mine has already been fed.
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Chaoslord2004
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| Isambard wrote: | | Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And for Chaoslord's edification, I shall even post his credentials |
So...what is unjust about Rawls' original position? |
That it doesnt match with what was set forth by the prophet von Mises. Lulz. |
Therefore He is wrong. Like the evolutionist is wrong, by definition since he disagree's with the fundamentalists reading of genesis.
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| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | Persuasion wrote: | | I am stating that I know as much as you. My statement has as much weight as your until such time as we compare our credentials. |
See, but you disagree with knight's economic theory, so almost by definition you know nothing about economics. Just like developmentalist economists knew nothing about economics... |
....or political economists, or political scientists, or national economists, or the majority of economists prior to the 1980s.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | I'm simply stating that I actually know something about economics, |
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | Right, you do state that, but with all evidence to the contrary. |
What evidence?
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | You seem to confuse our disagreeing with YOUR economic theory with ignorance of economics all together. |
No, I'm not. You don't simply disagree with it; you don't know anything about it, but you act as if you do. Remember: you were the one who thought corporatism meant supporting corporations. I had to explain to you what it means. That's simply one example of your ignorance.
Another example of ignorance is kmisho's Grand Truth Pronouncements, which he invariably fucks up quite well due to his lack of knowledge in this area.
Here's the thing: don't get huffy because I actually know something about this. Don't get mad at me for having done research. Don't get pissy because you're insecure. It's not my fucking problem, and I will not deal with it.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And for Chaoslord's edification, I shall even post his credentials |
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | I was asking for YOUR credentials |
Which, of course, is merely a red herring.
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | To undermine Rawlsian political liberalism |
And this has what to do with what now? Did you mean to use another red herring?
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight of BAAWA wrote: | | I'm simply stating that I actually know something about economics, as opposed to someone like CL, kmisho--and you. |
| Persuasion wrote: | | The keyword above is "stating." You have yet to show us your diplomas. |
Interesting. So no one can talk about evolution unless s/he has a degree in biology?
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
Try again, moron.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | See, but you disagree with knight's economic theory, so almost by definition you know nothing about economics. |
Strawman.
I'm really doubting your knowledge of logic now. No one with your supposed qualifications should be making such basic errors in reasoning.
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Chaoslord2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And this has what to do with what now? Did you mean to use another red herring? |
The fact that your previous post made reference to Rawls' and clearly was an attack on his theory. Try to pay attention.
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I'm really doubting your knowledge of logic now. |
I couldn't care less.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And this has what to do with what now? Did you mean to use another red herring? |
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | The fact that your previous post made reference to Rawls' and clearly was an attack on his theory. |
No it wasn't. Try to pay attention.
| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | I'm really doubting your knowledge of logic now. |
| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | I couldn't care less. |
I'm sure you'd like people to believe that.
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Chaoslord2004
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btw Knight, you know nothing of logical fallacies. You accuse people of them all the time, but usually get it wrong. But thats your prerogative isn't it?
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