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| Moloth wrote: | | Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | Your avoidance of the question's revealing. You can't get around the Gettier problem with your natural rights!
Answer the question or your precious little theory goes down in flames, in addition to revealing your ignorance! |
You fail to identify the other sources of ownership, if it is not yourself. Please identify alternative sources of ownership than yourself; god, the collective, the Prez, or you mother? |
prove that rights exist and that they have to have a source. *shrug*
you're picking a fight based on a presupposition. its just weird. |
How does "proof" yield property? If it can't, then who needs proof!
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| Philosophos wrote: | | So you can't account for epistemology? |
Are you seriously asking me to prove abiogenesis in order to prove self ownership?
| Quote: | GiT loses! I win! What a fucktard!
Another crushing defeat to Lockean nonsense! |
Are you arguing from Hobbes or pure emotion? Tell me, why don't you own yourself? |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Are you seriously asking me to prove abiogenesis in order to prove self ownership? |
Yes. That AND epistemology. How does property account for them?
And might as well hear how the categorical imperative can be derived from self-ownership while you're at it.
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| Moloth wrote: | | prove that rights exist and that they have to have a source. *shrug* |
You don't have the right to choose your actions and thoughts? They just magically appear?
| Quote: | | you're picking a fight based on a presupposition. its just weird. |
IOW, you need a president or a divine monarch to define your non-existing rights.....just weird. |
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You are just a fucktard. Do I need to prove abiogenesis in order to prove your retardeness?
| Quote: | | And might as well here how the categorical imperative can be derived from self-ownership while you're at it. |
Since you cannot remotely prove that ownership is derived by any other means than the self, you fail. |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | prove that rights exist and that they have to have a source. *shrug* |
You don't have the right to choose your actions and thoughts? They just magically appear?
| Quote: | | you're picking a fight based on a presupposition. its just weird. |
IOW, you need a president or a divine monarch to define your non-existing rights.....just weird. |
i swear.. you're like KnoB-Lite. 
A lot like KnoB, but just one calorie...
why must there be a right to choose my thoughts? the very fact that i choose them means that i think.
Do my cells have the right to absorb oxygen from my red blood cells?
do birds have the right to eat worms?
nothing appears. a "right" is merely a concept you've invented in order to further a socio-political agenda.
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How do you really "own" yourself? You can give up ownership of things, it's really difficult to give up ownership of yourself. I mean, you could sell yourself into slavery but you would still be yourself.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | How does "proof" yield property? If it can't, then who needs proof! |
Property stems from labor. Where else could it possibility come from? |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Do I need to prove abiogenesis in order to prove your retardeness? |
Yes. Yes you do. If your fucktardedness theory cannot account for abiogenesis AND epistemology, you fail! (you keep on forgetting epistemology, because you're clearly afraid of it, as you know nothing about it, and you're a pansy-ass whining sissy douchebag... with, fuckin', cum on it. So there!)
| Quote: | | Quote: | | And might as well here how the categorical imperative can be derived from self-ownership while you're at it. |
Since you cannot remotely prove that ownership is derived by any other means then the self, you fail. |
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Are you being intellectually jaded, or have you admitted utter defeat that your pathetic classical liberalism can't account for jack shit?
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Property stems from labor. Where else could it possibility come from? |
But where does epistemology come from? Still avoiding the question, you bloody cunt-dripping!
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | How does "proof" yield property? If it can't, then who needs proof! |
Property stems from labor. Where else could it possibility come from? |
um... ownership.
people can and do own property without expending labor for it. labor is not the answer.
didn't we go over this in another thread, before i backed you into a corner and you went all "Ur a fucktard!@11!!" out of desperation on me?
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| Philosophos wrote: |
But where does epistemology come from? Still avoiding the question, you bloody cunt-dripping! |
Ugh.. now that's just gross Philo. 
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Yes. Yes you do. If your fucktardedness theory cannot account for abiogenesis AND epistemology, you fail! (you keep on forgetting epistemology, because you're clearly afraid of it, as you know nothing about it, and you're a pansy-ass whining sissy douchebag... with, fuckin', cum on it. So there!) |
I am jaded to emo kids. Your emotions don't bother me.
If rights do not stem from reason, then they stem from a divine monarchy, a representative majority, hedonistic calculus, or archaic impulses that manifest itself into some idiotic DU.
| Quote: | | Are you being intellectually jaded, or have you admitted utter defeat that your pathetic classical liberalism can't account for jack shit? |
Who else give you liberty if reason and self does not? |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | How does "proof" yield property? If it can't, then who needs proof! |
Property stems from labor. Where else could it possibility come from? |
um... ownership. |
And how does property arise?
| Quote: | | people can and do own property without expending labor for it. labor is not the answer. |
How does property arise?
| Quote: | | didn't we go over this in another thread, before i backed you into a corner and you went all "Ur a fucktard!@11!!" out of desperation on me? |
How does property arise? |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Who else give you liberty if reason and self does not? |
So in other words you can't get around the Gettier problem. Then, you sir, don't know anything, as you don't even know what knowledge is.
Classical liberalism -> Nihilism
(if it's bolded, it must be true amirite?)
And your mom likes it up the ass.
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