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What's natural rights theory?
| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | Drivel. Pure drivel. |
Very good. Thanks for conceding.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | What's natural rights theory? |
Are you fucking retarded? You have the right to own yourself and your faculties regardless of any government.
| Quote: | | Very good. Thanks for conceding. |
Your drivel does not equal a concession from me. No wonder you struggle with logic. |
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | drivel does not equal a concession from me. |
Maybe not. But it is kinda funny to watch you attempt to think! 
I mixed my labor with this thread. Therefore it's mine. So GTFO.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Maybe not. But it is kinda funny to watch you attempt to think! |
It's cute to watch you squirm and get huffy.
| Quote: | | I mixed my labor with this thread. Therefore it's mine. So GTFO. |
You don't own this thread, nor the thoughts. All you own is your fucktarded drivel. |
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Philosophos
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | It's cute to watch you squirm and get huffy. |
Does it make you hard?
| Quote: | | You don't own this thread, nor the thoughts. |
You've actually been thinking in this thread?
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Certain things you can transmit, but you can't transfer the ownership thereof. For instance: you can tell someone something and give them that thought, but you can't literally transfer the thought you have to somone else such that you will never have it. |
That's why thoughts cannot be "owned".
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Philosophos
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| gnosis wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Certain things you can transmit, but you can't transfer the ownership thereof. For instance: you can tell someone something and give them that thought, but you can't literally transfer the thought you have to somone else such that you will never have it. |
That's why thoughts cannot be "owned". |
An-caps are against things like copyright precisely because of this, though.
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Certain things you can transmit, but you can't transfer the ownership thereof. For instance: you can tell someone something and give them that thought, but you can't literally transfer the thought you have to somone else such that you will never have it. |
| gnosis wrote: | | That's why thoughts cannot be "owned". |
Non sequitur.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Is my proposition above on the right track, Knight?
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the president doesnt have to pay for gas, electricity, food, or water nothing at all for as long as they are president.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Is my proposition above on the right track, Knight? |
Yes, although thoughts are "owned" in the sense that they exist in each individuals head and do not have to be communicated unless the person wants to.
However, the concept that you are further talking about is why IP is bullshit: you can't own an "idea" in the sense of "the idea in the book". You can own the physicality of the book and sell it, but saying that the idea is also still "owned" by the writer and thus "stolen" if someone copies the book is bullshit, since you can't physically remove the idea from the writer's head!
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: |
Yes, although thoughts are "owned" in the sense that they exist in each individuals head and do not have to be communicated unless the person wants to.
However, the concept that you are further talking about is why IP is bullshit: you can't own an "idea" in the sense of "the idea in the book". You can own the physicality of the book and sell it, but saying that the idea is also still "owned" by the writer and thus "stolen" if someone copies the book is bullshit, since you can't physically remove the idea from the writer's head! |
Aren't thoughts "Intellectual Property"?
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Not in the sense that they exist in the physical strata called the brain, no. Again: that is the sole means that they are property, and the only way to "steal" a thought then is to physically remove the thought from the person's head.
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Why should my individual governance be decided upon contemporaneous political ideologies? Divine interventionism broke down under monarchy (partially due to the concept of natural rights). Majority rule interventionism is currently breaking down under democracy (partially due to natural rights).
Why should my rights to person, property, and liberty ever be jeopardized by a divinity or majority?
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| gnosis wrote: | | Aren't thoughts "Intellectual Property"? |
You can lose the modifier "intelligent". Thoughts are your property. Unless you voluntarily share them, they can only be extracted by violence. This is a universal fact. |
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