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| Moloth wrote: | | Yes and if anyone of us did the things a DOCTOR did, we'd be arrested, too.. |
What, doctors suck a baby's penis as well?
| Quote: | or if we did things to a random woman that we would do to our girlfriends (are you familiar with that term, SJC?) we'd be arrested to.
Its about context. |
How can there be any context where sucking on a baby's penis NOT be sexual contact?
| Quote: | | Touching penis != sex. |
Sucking it is.
| Quote: | Just like how:
a woman's breasts != sex. |
A women can give consent. Breasts in of of themselves aren't sex, but fondling them can be. The same as wiping off a penis is not the same as sucking one. One is sexual contact and the other isn't.
| Quote: | | Have you EVER had your penis touched, SJC.. sexually or otherwise? could you tell the difference? |
Apparently you can't.
It is very telling all of your reactions to this. If I were a psychologist I would find all of your reactions quite fascinating.
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| Moloth wrote: | | if i were in a culture where that was normal, why would it bother me? |
Why should it bother you when a culture that practices FGM? After all, its not your culture and it is "normal" for them so that must make it right.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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You want a context of when sucking a babies penis isn't a sexual act? hokay, here's one:
During a bris when the rabbi is getting the blood out of the circumcised penis.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| sjc wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | if i were in a culture where that was normal, why would it bother me? |
Why should it bother you when a culture that practices FGM? After all, its not your culture and it is "normal" for them so that must make it right. |
Touching an infants penis is not the same as lopping it off, SJC. you're either intentionally confusing what we're talking about or you're just an idiot.
Either way, its no small wonder why you get no respect.
I, unlike you, am able to look at this objectively and without the obscuring mist of my own short-sighted culture getting in the way.
You;'re confusing what my personal preferences are and what is objective. You;re trying to Ad Hom because i'm speaking from an objective point of you that you don;t like. get over yourself and join in the discussion instead of trying to label people as pedophiles, perverts and "idiots" because you can't comprehend what we're talking about.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | You want a context of when sucking a babies penis isn't a sexual act? hokay, here's one:
During a bris when the rabbi is getting the blood out of the circumcised penis. |
What, when a cloth soaked in alcohol would be far easier and safer? After all, the mouth is one of the most unclean parts of the body. This is why they sanitize their mouths BEFORE doing this so they already know that the mouth isn't all the clean otherwise.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| sjc wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | You want a context of when sucking a babies penis isn't a sexual act? hokay, here's one:
During a bris when the rabbi is getting the blood out of the circumcised penis. |
What, when a cloth soaked in alcohol would be far easier and safer? After all, the mouth is one of the most unclean parts of the body. This is why they sanitize their mouths BEFORE doing this so they already know that the mouth isn't all the clean otherwise. |
okay.. now are we talking about the cleanliness of the act or the sexual nature of it?? make up your fucking mind.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | if i were in a culture where that was normal, why would it bother me? |
Possibly because you were a sexually frustrated teenager (and closet nonbeliever) who didn't want that hot chick in school to think about the creepy old Rabbi Ehud were she ever to, eh possibly, should a certain situation, maybe, hopefully occur. Besides, Rabbi Ehud gives you the creeps too. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Touching an infants penis is not the same as lopping it off, SJC. you're either intentionally confusing what we're talking about or you're just an idiot. |
I never said that that part was that. Its what they do afterward that is the sexual aspect. You're the ones who don't understand what sexual aspect actually means. It doesn't necessarily have to be active sex, but the appearance of something sexual.
| Quote: | | Either way, its no small wonder why you get no respect. |
As if I ever required any from any of you. Why should I want your respect when I don't respect you or any of your opinions to begin with? I find many of them to be counter humanity.
I neither want nor require your respect. In fact some of you I consider to be nothing more than scum. Respect from scum? No thank you.
There are very few on here who I have any real measure of some respect for as it is.
| Quote: | | I, unlike you, am able to look at this objectively and without the obscuring mist of my own short-sighted culture getting in the way. |
Liar. Your whole response belies that.
| Quote: | | You;'re confusing what my personal preferences are and what is objective. You;re trying to Ad Hom because i'm speaking from an objective point of you that you don;t like. get over yourself and join in the discussion instead of trying to label people as pedophiles, perverts and "idiots" because you can't comprehend what we're talking about. |
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| Moloth wrote: | | okay.. now are we talking about the cleanliness of the act or the sexual nature of it?? make up your fucking mind. |
Why the act is totally unnecessary to begin with because of its justification as a means to clean and heal after the initial act of the circumcision.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Quote: | | Okay, now listen very carefully...no one on THIS thread said that the Rabbis were right. I, and a few others, are only telling SJC, and now you, that the reason why the Rabbis were doing this were not sexual reasons. SJC is trying to claim that the Rabbis, and Jews, have secret meetings to find new and improved ways to molest children. |
i know and I Do Not agree with him I have said so before.
| Quote: | | Neither SJC or you, have been able to prove that the reason why this barely practiced ritual is a sexual one. |
I never said it was I said sexual or not it is wrong I don't care why they are doing it. it's wrong.
| Quote: | | Now before the internet or the 60s even, there was this time when people didn't have hospitals or band aids. It is more likely than not, that the Rabbis sucked the blood from the penis because they thought it healed faster. MOST of the Jews now know this isn't true, so they do not do that. The few that still do it, do it because they have stupidly clung to ritual rather than accept modern medicine or science. This can mostly be compared to the unnecessary need for circumcision itself. |
I don't care why they did it the fact they did it speak for itself.
| Quote: | | Now Tonyman, do you have any more questions? |
you don't seem to understand that I never called it sexual. The whole time I agree with you not sjc.
my state is "sexual or not it is wrong"
Do you think it should be done for healing? |
Okay, then I am sorry. I misunderstood you. I don't think it should be done at all. In fact, I think the whole procedure should be tossed out the window. I just do not agree with SJC that this is sexual molestation. The odds are, it was originally done for medical reasons and it is still done, rarely, for traditional reasons. |
Agreed, no hard feelings 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| sjc wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | Okay, now listen very carefully...no one on THIS thread said that the Rabbis were right. I, and a few others, are only telling SJC, and now you, that the reason why the Rabbis were doing this were not sexual reasons. SJC is trying to claim that the Rabbis, and Jews, have secret meetings to find new and improved ways to molest children. Neither SJC or you, have been able to prove that the reason why this barely practiced ritual is a sexual one.
Now before the internet or the 60s even, there was this time when people didn't have hospitals or band aids. It is more likely than not, that the Rabbis sucked the blood from the penis because they thought it healed faster. MOST of the Jews now know this isn't true, so they do not do that. The few that still do it, do it because they have stupidly clung to ritual rather than accept modern medicine or science. This can mostly be compared to the unnecessary need for circumcision itself.
Now Tonyman, do you have any more questions? |
It is still inappropriate behavior that could very easily be sexual. An alcohol soaked cloth would have been more than enough. |
Yes, because back in 899 b.c.e or whenever it was started, they all knew about using rubbing alcohol. Oh wait, they didn't have that yet. Fuck, you are a retard. Next you are going to be pissed that they didn't look up the right way to do it on the internet. |
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| sjc wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | Okay, then I am sorry. I misunderstood you. I don't think it should be done at all. In fact, I think the whole procedure should be tossed out the window. I just do not agree with SJC that this is sexual molestation. The odds are, it was originally done for medical reasons and it is still done, rarely, for traditional reasons. |
Tradition without truth is but an old error. The human mouth is one of the most unclean parts of the body. If it wasn't so unclean then why would they first "sanitize" it with alcohol? |
How would they have known that about two thousand years before anyone else did? Wait...hold up. This is just like not knowing that "sex" can also mean "gender" isn't it? You really think this is a new ritual or tradition? Like within the last hundred years new? Wow. That is all. Wow. Eleven pages later, and not only do you not know what the definition of basic words are, but you honesty think that everyone knew about bacteria a couple thousand years ago? Let me guess, cavemen really had cars that they powered with their feet too?
Damn. I can't believe you are as old as you are and have access to the internet and you don't know any of this? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | Yes, because back in 899 b.c.e or whenever it was started, they all knew about using rubbing alcohol. Oh wait, they didn't have that yet. Fuck, you are a retard. Next you are going to be pissed that they didn't look up the right way to do it on the internet. |
They had alcohol though..
Whatever turns your crank. It is clear that some just don't have the mental ability to see this. Though, it is most likely that they don't want to because of their conditioning.
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | How would they have known that about two thousand years before anyone else did? Wait...hold up. This is just like not knowing that "sex" can also mean "gender" isn't it? You really think this is a new ritual or tradition? Like within the last hundred years new? Wow. That is all. Wow. Eleven pages later, and not only do you not know what the definition of basic words are, but you honesty think that everyone knew about bacteria a couple thousand years ago? Let me guess, cavemen really had cars that they powered with their feet too?
Damn. I can't believe you are as old as you are and have access to the internet and you don't know any of this? |
Is it any wonder that my low opinion of the mental abilities of some on here are so rightly justified. But than again critical thinking was never a requirement for most of them while they were going to school.
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