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Missionary
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| Shiranu wrote: | Why are alot of us obsessed with gods (I use gods because your "GOD" does not hold any special relevance above Zeus, Thor, and the Great Juju under the Mountain) is because we live in a country where Christianity and religion is shoved down our throats 24/7.
We see it on the news, we see it on the web, we see it every time we walk out our damned doors, and quite frankly, its...to be blunt... fucking annoying. (I at least) am generally discriminated againt, ignored, put down, etc. etc. for my beliefs that my old religion (Xanity) was wrong. |
Okay...so something made you walk away and you feel surrounded and hounded? Is that fair to say?
| Quote: | | When it comes to science, the reason we always relate it to gods is that its hillarious you can stay faithful to your bullox when the evidence is stacked against it. |
The "evidence is stacked against it."?? What do you mean? |
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redraiderdude187
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Missionary wrote: | | The "evidence is stacked against it."?? What do you mean? |
Go to the main page of the site; then look at most popular threads by post. Go to the thread entitled "Burden of Proof" and read it.
Basically every argument against the idea of a God or gods and the arguments against those arguments are in that thread. It's pointless to rehash the entire thing again.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| redraiderdude187 wrote: | I actually agree with the OP's assumption in a sense. Some atheists really like to talk about the illogical nature of the concept of "God" or gods.
Though the main reason for this isn't because atheists really know God exists but wish to sin instead; that's a crock of shit and the OP knows it. |
Did you get that from my post or are you making an assumption?
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The whole reason that certain people really like to talk about God is that neither side can ever have a definite, 100% infallible proof. In my opinion, the possibility of the existence of God is at about .000000000000000001%, but for some people, that just isn't definitive enough. I'm not taking a side on the issue because ultimately, it really doesn't matter, but I think that the whole process of disproving a concept of God is more important to some than actually coming to a conclusion. |
I agree you cannot attain 100% certainty through science but I disagree that one cannot have absolute proof. Your arbitrary selection of ".000000000000000001%" is, well, arbitrary and relative to subjective experience. I would also suggest that it does matter a great deal in fact.
| Quote: | | PS: It's also really fun to screw with Christian trolls who don't know the first thing about science or the laws of nature. |
What would one need to know [assuming we cannot know with 100% certainty] to discuss such matters with you? |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What are you needing to vent about? What's your beef with God? or is it religion, church etc... |
What country do you live in?
A) Atheism is a lack of belief in all deities. Not just yours. We have no "beef" with imaginary beings, just the actions of their followers.
B) We'd be glad to shut up about theism, if theists would.
C) Most of the threads here are non religious. Like Dr. Nice said, "Lurk more".
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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The few times I bother to discuss religion, it's a dull and repetetive experience. I'm hardly "obessed with God". It's not like I sit up in bed all night looking for ways to disprove his existence, I just don't like it when there are people standing on the corners and shouing JESUS SAVES at me every other day.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: The Atheist's Obsession With God |
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: |
we talk about way more than just god. but considering it is the one thing that we havent in common, not believing that is, of course we are going to discuss it. Its one of the only things that the majority of us agree on. everything else we completely disagree on. we attack and ridicule each other statements thats what we are here for not to hear you preach.
ya bitch!!!! |
Why attack and ridicule one another? Doesn't the "free thinker" have room for free thought? |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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How does free thought exclude ridicule?
.....bitch |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: The Atheist's Obsession With God |
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| Rage wrote: |
Hi Danny,
First let me say that I'm only speaking for myself.
Sometimes I've addressed a question only to be
made the spokesperson for whatever group I am in.
My parents, in-laws, etc. are mostly Christians.
I'm surrounded by them.
I hear their point of view constantly.
Not just from them.
I hear it on the radio.
On television.
In newspapers.
Heck even in the subways.
So I come here to hear a different point of view. |
Sounds legit...
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Many of the people I mentioned above try to get me back into fold from time to time.
So we get into debates.
I come here to keep my sword sharp so to speak.
I find that if I don't keep immersed in Biblical matters I get rusty.
And I have to admit that I get a great deal of pleasure
shutting up some self righteous busybody with
my knowledge of the Bible and its history.
So many of the brothers and sisters in Christ
have never really read the Bible.
Nor do they know where it comes from. |
What is your primary argument against them?
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Just in case you were wondering.
I really really don't believe in a god of any kind.
Really.
And I'll compare my morality to the typical Christian any day |
Did you stop believing or never started? |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Raggle Fraggle wrote: |
My family is getting more fundamentalist and crazy every day. My aunt and uncle put devices on my cousins' TVs to prevent them from hearing curse words. They won't let them watch any movie with anything contradicting to Christianity. I was so glad that my parents weren't like them until about a year ago when my dad went from a "back-slidden" Christian to a fundamentalist. My whole family and peer group believe things that I believe make no sense. It gets really irritating to hear things like that and not be allowed to disagree. |
The TV thing sounds extreme. You said, "My whole family and peer group believe things that I believe make no sense." Like what? |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| redraiderdude187 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | The "evidence is stacked against it."?? What do you mean? |
Go to the main page of the site; then look at most popular threads by post. Go to the thread entitled "Burden of Proof" and read it.
Basically every argument against the idea of a God or gods and the arguments against those arguments are in that thread. It's pointless to rehash the entire thing again. |
Okay, I'll try to stop by and read it tomorrow. So you've debunked God then? What's your theory on life, cosmos, origin, etc? |
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Nimitz wrote: | We have no "beef" with imaginary beings, just the actions of their followers.
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What do they do to you? |
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Raskolnikov
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: The Atheist's Obsession With God |
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| Missionary wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: |
we talk about way more than just god. but considering it is the one thing that we havent in common, not believing that is, of course we are going to discuss it. Its one of the only things that the majority of us agree on. everything else we completely disagree on. we attack and ridicule each other statements thats what we are here for not to hear you preach.
ya bitch!!!! |
Why attack and ridicule one another? Doesn't the "free thinker" have room for free thought? |
Who says all free thought shouldn't be ridiculed?
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Raskolnikov
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| Missionary wrote: | | Nimitz wrote: | We have no "beef" with imaginary beings, just the actions of their followers.
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What do they do to you? |
I was spat on by a Christian girl in school three times (3 different girls too). Oh and Jesus raped me in my anus. What? You didn't know Jesus was gay?
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"The future is not set in stone. The future is what you make it. So make it a good one!"
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Wander wrote: | | The few times I bother to discuss religion, it's a dull and repetetive experience. I'm hardly "obessed with God". It's not like I sit up in bed all night looking for ways to disprove his existence, I just don't like it when there are people standing on the corners and shouing JESUS SAVES at me every other day. |
I hear ya. But that guy is not sounding the alarm for you, it's just meant for someone else. For that someone else? That guy is important. But I understand, I wouldn't want my neighbors car alarm going off under my bedroom window all night. However, it is important to my neighbor.  |
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Raskolnikov
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Are you a Christian, Missionary? And do you believe that the Bible is correct?
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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, underwhich weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, for if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson
"The future is not set in stone. The future is what you make it. So make it a good one!"
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