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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:45 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Zocrates, he wasn't disagreeing with me.

He validated exactly what I had said.
It's not completely dead in the sense that "there are no more racists" but in that sense it will never be dead. ...and he agreed with me in stating that the culture now completely rejects it, or as he phrased it "lost credibility in the public mind." Same thing.

Lashing out in anger against "lumpyfuck" won't make you any less of a pathetic racist fuck, and it won't do anything to cure you of your victimhood complex. Stop trying to derive your identity by creating an enemy image of "those darn racists" and just live your life, and be yourself.

It reminds me of the same victimhood complex that Christians have.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors... Sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Zocrates, he wasn't disagreeing with me.

He validated exactly what I had said.
It's not completely dead in the sense that "there are no more racists" but in that sense it will never be dead. ...and he agreed with me in stating that the culture now completely rejects it, or as he phrased it "lost credibility in the public mind." Same thing.

Lashing out in anger against "lumpyfuck" won't make you any less of a pathetic racist fuck, and it won't do anything to cure you of your victimhood complex. Stop trying to derive your identity by creating an enemy image of "those darn racists" and just live your life, and be yourself.

It reminds me of the same victimhood complex that Christians have.

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Since you've done such a great job of introducing this whole "Zoc's playing victim" argument, go ahead and lay it out for me. Please explain the things I've written to suggest I enjoy playing victim, thanks.

And saying "racism is dead" is a lot different than saying "racism is underground". If it's DEAD, then it can't possibly be ANYWHERE......even underground. So let's clarify your statement.....do you think people still experience racism today, or do you not? No one's saying its en epidemic....but you need to back your shit up if you're going to say no one experiences racism anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

how about "institutionalized racism is dead (in the USA)"?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Zocrates wrote:
Since you've done such a great job of introducing this whole "Zoc's playing victim" argument, go ahead and lay it out for me. Please explain the things I've written to suggest I enjoy playing victim, thanks.


I've pointed it out in several threads, I'm not compiling them into a formal argument. I don't need to.
Anyone that wants to look it up can verify it for themselves (in truth, no one gives a shit), I'm just going to keep hounding you when you DO decide to get racially sensitive about things that aren't racially motivated, like this kids speech. The thread about Kramer would be a good one to check out too, I did the same thing there. I know HBA has had several topics about PC culture in which it's been derailed into a race bate, and I've delt with you then too. I'll continue doing so.

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And saying "racism is dead" is a lot different than saying "racism is underground." If it's DEAD, then it can't possibly be ANYWHERE......even underground.


No, you're just taking the statement to an extreme in order to attempt some half-assed falsification via reductio ad absurdum, BUT you're ignoring the fact that the statement wasn't made to assert that racism was completely non-existent. The mentality is culturally dead...
The KKK is dead, Yup. Are there still KKK members? You betcha...
Classical Economics is dead and Keynesianism has replaced it. Do Classical Economists still exist? You betcha...

Your childish attempt to paint my stance as extreme one is just an ignorant strawman, made in an attempt to salvage your cherished position of victimhood.
"But of course Racism still Exists!!! zomg UR DUM!!!"

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So let's clarify your statement.....do you think people still experience racism today, or do you not?


Yes they do, but far FAR less often than people CLAIM to have experienced racism. Most of the time it's an intentional misinterpretation of something that isn't racism, into something that is racism, again to legitimize your victimhood.

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No one's saying its en epidemic....but you need to back your shit up if you're going to say no one experiences racism anymore.


Since that isn't what I said, I'll not defend the strawman you've erected. Feel free to punch him around as much as you like.

This is so typical of how fucking stupid you are...
1) Someone disagrees with you.
2) Erect strawman
3) Refute strawman
4) Fancy yourself the victor

Think about this statement.
"Evolution clearly and plainly explains the mechanism by which biological life has changed and diversified over time."
Does this statement mean that Evolution has figured out every biological process on the planet from beginning to end, and it's every nuance? Nope.

When someone says "Racism is dead" clearly speaking in a cultural context it's fucking ignorant for you to take that to some extreme and say "Well, racism exists in X situation so ur wrong" It's no different than when a Christian says "Well evolution doesn't know how X occurred, so therefor it's wrong"

lolololololololololol
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Edit: BTW I fucking hate you (seriously, and sincerely), but it's not because you're black, it's because you're a fucking moron. Am I a racist?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Your concession is accepted, you'll want to bookmark this for reference in case you ever wonder how many times exactly I've owned your ass on this subject.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Anybody else wanna ring in on lumpyspunk "owning my ass" on this subject?

Maybe I'm delusional, but I'd like to find out from others if I have played some sort of "victim" when I discuss race.....and as always, evidence would help.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Why do you need someone else to chime in to validate what you want to believe about the course of events in this thread between you and I?
Why is someone else's judgment more important to you than your own?
...again, you're choosing not to define yourself through your own eyes.

How about, instead of asking strangers to tell you something about yourself that you "might be delusional" about, how about just reread what you wrote, and be a little introspective and critical of yourself?
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors... Sad


Get your own struggles ya bum...

Damn lazy kids. Very Happy
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Moloth wrote:
but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors... Sad


Get your own struggles ya bum...

Damn lazy kids. Very Happy


Ben Folds Five - Rockn' the Suburbs


Let me tell yall what its like
Being male, middle class and white
Its a bitch, if you dont believe
Listen up to my new cd
Sham on


I got shit running through my brain
So intense that I cant explain
All alone in my white boy pain
Shake your booty while the band complains


Im rocking the suburbs
Just like michael jackson did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that he was talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks

Im pissed off but Im too polite
When people break in the mcdonalds line
Mom and dad you made me so uptight

Im gonna cuss on the mic tonight
I dont know how much I can take
Girl give me something I can break

Im rocking the suburbs
Just like quiet riot did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that they were talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks

In a haze these days
I pull up to the stoplight
I can feel that somethings not right
I can feel that someones blasting me
With hate and bass
Sending dirty vibes my way
Cause my great great great great grandad
Made someones great great great great grandaddy slaves
It wasnt my idea
It wasnt my idea
It never was my idea
I just drove to the store
For some preparation h


Yall dont know what its like
Being male, middle class and white
It gets me real pissed off and it makes me wanna say
Fuck

Just like jon bon jovi did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that he was talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks these days
Im rocking the suburbs
Youd better look out because Im gonna say fuck
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

aitm wrote:
I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey.


Well said.

Anyone else?
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Zocrates wrote:
aitm wrote:
I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey.


Well said.

Anyone else?


i don;t like you.. not because you're black, but because you're from Joisey.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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i don;t like you.. not because you're black, but because you're from Joisey.

What's up with you out-of-staters talking "New Jersey" when around people from New Jersey?

I could be wrong, but I find this very telling about the way you view people from New Jersey.
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