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lumpymunk Forum Master


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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Zocrates, he wasn't disagreeing with me.
He validated exactly what I had said.
It's not completely dead in the sense that "there are no more racists" but in that sense it will never be dead. ...and he agreed with me in stating that the culture now completely rejects it, or as he phrased it "lost credibility in the public mind." Same thing.
Lashing out in anger against "lumpyfuck" won't make you any less of a pathetic racist fuck, and it won't do anything to cure you of your victimhood complex. Stop trying to derive your identity by creating an enemy image of "those darn racists" and just live your life, and be yourself.
It reminds me of the same victimhood complex that Christians have.
Help is available.
http://www.online.pacifica.edu/pgl/stories/storyReader$453 _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOPu_wU6hs
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors...  _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Zocrates I rank, therefore I am

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| lumpymunk wrote: | Zocrates, he wasn't disagreeing with me.
He validated exactly what I had said.
It's not completely dead in the sense that "there are no more racists" but in that sense it will never be dead. ...and he agreed with me in stating that the culture now completely rejects it, or as he phrased it "lost credibility in the public mind." Same thing.
Lashing out in anger against "lumpyfuck" won't make you any less of a pathetic racist fuck, and it won't do anything to cure you of your victimhood complex. Stop trying to derive your identity by creating an enemy image of "those darn racists" and just live your life, and be yourself.
It reminds me of the same victimhood complex that Christians have.
Help is available.
http://www.online.pacifica.edu/pgl/stories/storyReader$453 |
Since you've done such a great job of introducing this whole "Zoc's playing victim" argument, go ahead and lay it out for me. Please explain the things I've written to suggest I enjoy playing victim, thanks.
And saying "racism is dead" is a lot different than saying "racism is underground". If it's DEAD, then it can't possibly be ANYWHERE......even underground. So let's clarify your statement.....do you think people still experience racism today, or do you not? No one's saying its en epidemic....but you need to back your shit up if you're going to say no one experiences racism anymore. _________________ "Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate." - F.M. Knowles
"We only fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them" - Titus Livius
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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how about "institutionalized racism is dead (in the USA)"? _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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lumpymunk Forum Master


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| Zocrates wrote: | | Since you've done such a great job of introducing this whole "Zoc's playing victim" argument, go ahead and lay it out for me. Please explain the things I've written to suggest I enjoy playing victim, thanks. |
I've pointed it out in several threads, I'm not compiling them into a formal argument. I don't need to.
Anyone that wants to look it up can verify it for themselves (in truth, no one gives a shit), I'm just going to keep hounding you when you DO decide to get racially sensitive about things that aren't racially motivated, like this kids speech. The thread about Kramer would be a good one to check out too, I did the same thing there. I know HBA has had several topics about PC culture in which it's been derailed into a race bate, and I've delt with you then too. I'll continue doing so.
| Quote: | | And saying "racism is dead" is a lot different than saying "racism is underground." If it's DEAD, then it can't possibly be ANYWHERE......even underground. |
No, you're just taking the statement to an extreme in order to attempt some half-assed falsification via reductio ad absurdum, BUT you're ignoring the fact that the statement wasn't made to assert that racism was completely non-existent. The mentality is culturally dead...
The KKK is dead, Yup. Are there still KKK members? You betcha...
Classical Economics is dead and Keynesianism has replaced it. Do Classical Economists still exist? You betcha...
Your childish attempt to paint my stance as extreme one is just an ignorant strawman, made in an attempt to salvage your cherished position of victimhood.
"But of course Racism still Exists!!! zomg UR DUM!!!"
| Quote: | | So let's clarify your statement.....do you think people still experience racism today, or do you not? |
Yes they do, but far FAR less often than people CLAIM to have experienced racism. Most of the time it's an intentional misinterpretation of something that isn't racism, into something that is racism, again to legitimize your victimhood.
| Quote: | | No one's saying its en epidemic....but you need to back your shit up if you're going to say no one experiences racism anymore. |
Since that isn't what I said, I'll not defend the strawman you've erected. Feel free to punch him around as much as you like.
This is so typical of how fucking stupid you are...
1) Someone disagrees with you.
2) Erect strawman
3) Refute strawman
4) Fancy yourself the victor
Think about this statement.
"Evolution clearly and plainly explains the mechanism by which biological life has changed and diversified over time."
Does this statement mean that Evolution has figured out every biological process on the planet from beginning to end, and it's every nuance? Nope.
When someone says "Racism is dead" clearly speaking in a cultural context it's fucking ignorant for you to take that to some extreme and say "Well, racism exists in X situation so ur wrong" It's no different than when a Christian says "Well evolution doesn't know how X occurred, so therefor it's wrong"
lolololololololololol
Edit: BTW I fucking hate you (seriously, and sincerely), but it's not because you're black, it's because you're a fucking moron. Am I a racist? _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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Zocrates I rank, therefore I am

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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 _________________ "Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate." - F.M. Knowles
"We only fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them" - Titus Livius
"Ain't nothin to it but to do it!" -Martin Payne |
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lumpymunk Forum Master


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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Your concession is accepted, you'll want to bookmark this for reference in case you ever wonder how many times exactly I've owned your ass on this subject. _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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Zocrates I rank, therefore I am

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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody else wanna ring in on lumpyspunk "owning my ass" on this subject?
Maybe I'm delusional, but I'd like to find out from others if I have played some sort of "victim" when I discuss race.....and as always, evidence would help. _________________ "Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate." - F.M. Knowles
"We only fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them" - Titus Livius
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lumpymunk Forum Master


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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you need someone else to chime in to validate what you want to believe about the course of events in this thread between you and I?
Why is someone else's judgment more important to you than your own?
...again, you're choosing not to define yourself through your own eyes.
How about, instead of asking strangers to tell you something about yourself that you "might be delusional" about, how about just reread what you wrote, and be a little introspective and critical of yourself? _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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aitm using the thinker thingy

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey. _________________ Its not that I question so much whether a god created man, but that he would admit it.- Thomas Brumfield
psst, theres a vagina on your bumper!
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rock Forum Master


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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors...  |
Get your own struggles ya bum...
Damn lazy kids.  _________________ We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| rock wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | but i LIKE defining myself by the struggles of my ancestors...  |
Get your own struggles ya bum...
Damn lazy kids.  |
Ben Folds Five - Rockn' the Suburbs
Let me tell yall what its like
Being male, middle class and white
Its a bitch, if you dont believe
Listen up to my new cd
Sham on
I got shit running through my brain
So intense that I cant explain
All alone in my white boy pain
Shake your booty while the band complains
Im rocking the suburbs
Just like michael jackson did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that he was talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks
Im pissed off but Im too polite
When people break in the mcdonalds line
Mom and dad you made me so uptight
Im gonna cuss on the mic tonight
I dont know how much I can take
Girl give me something I can break
Im rocking the suburbs
Just like quiet riot did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that they were talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks
In a haze these days
I pull up to the stoplight
I can feel that somethings not right
I can feel that someones blasting me
With hate and bass
Sending dirty vibes my way
Cause my great great great great grandad
Made someones great great great great grandaddy slaves
It wasnt my idea
It wasnt my idea
It never was my idea
I just drove to the store
For some preparation h
Yall dont know what its like
Being male, middle class and white
It gets me real pissed off and it makes me wanna say
Fuck
Just like jon bon jovi did
Im rocking the suburbs
Except that he was talented
Im rocking the suburbs
I take the checks and face the facts
That some producer with computers
Fixes all my shitty tracks these days
Im rocking the suburbs
Youd better look out because Im gonna say fuck _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Zocrates I rank, therefore I am

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| aitm wrote: | I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey. |
Well said.
Anyone else? _________________ "Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to investigate." - F.M. Knowles
"We only fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them" - Titus Livius
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Moloth Coin Operated Boy

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| Zocrates wrote: | | aitm wrote: | I suppose I can grant some credance to the idea that racsism is dead because the majority publicy hold it to be wrong. The problem I have with making such a broad statement is despite people all over telling us publicy how non-racist they are, in private they cling to the same tired hate and discrimination they always have.
I cannot offer you videos or published records I can only produce my word of working across this nation for the last 30 years and seeing and living and in fact by not doing anything, being part of racism. In Lubbock Texas for instance blacks are actively passed over for employment. I worked for 5 companies over 13 years and was told not only could I not hire blacks but we did not hire black owned sub contractors. This was not by one but by every company I worked for. Granted this could be called isolated. But I have worked and lived in 7 states from Michigan to Washinton, Pennslyvania, Texas, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Florida, and I can say with a good deal of certainty, that the majority of people are just as racist as always, the difference from what I have experienced, is that the voices screaming for its death are much louder and perhaps, because of that we think we have made progress.
With that said, I do believe that the black culture does itself the greater harm to themsleves by allowing itself to continue to perpetuate an exclusionist attitude from American society based on the flawed premise that to assimilate is to succumb to whitey. |
Well said.
Anyone else? |
i don;t like you.. not because you're black, but because you're from Joisey.
 _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Philosophos Do it

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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: |
i don;t like you.. not because you're black, but because you're from Joisey. |
What's up with you out-of-staters talking "New Jersey" when around people from New Jersey?
I could be wrong, but I find this very telling about the way you view people from New Jersey. _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
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