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I think any one who thinks that racism in public is okay should have the living shit beat out of them. If its a comedian, fine, they will do it in good taste more than often, but when its just some random kid/adult, more than often they mean alot of what they say. If you want to rant about some "fkin nig who liek totally lookd me funniez", go for it when your away from every one else, no one really cares to put up with your racist, whinning bull. And to do that in a speech of any kind is simply pathetic and immature, seriously. Any one who thinks it is near okay to spout racism in a school...bleh... lots of respect lost for them.
And seriously, racism? I thought we got past that shit already.
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | whites know that it really hurts blacks feelings to be called a nigger (unless its a joke and then only with blacks who can take that kind of a joke)
when you are angry sometimes you say the meanest thing you can think of just because you want to verbally harm the person.
if you are mad at a fat chick for example you might rant to her about being a fat ass pig whose bulges of lard disgusts you. even if normally you don't give a fuck about peoples weight.
now let me be clear, I do not condone this at all.
all I am saying is that its possible krammer in his rage was simply trying to be as offensive as possible, simply to lash out at these blacks and NOT actually expressing his hidden beliefs that we should bring back lynchings. |
And the act of discriminating based on race is.....racism. Richards was picking these people out based on their race.....and this was a conscious decision. When these black people started to heckle him based on non-racial topics....Richards automatically jumped to lashing back at them based on race. That's not something that someone does if they don't see people as colors. If he viewed these black people as "just people" he would have lashed back at them based on some other non-racial criteria....but since he sees people as different races, he used race to lash back at them.
Non-racist people don't just start using race like that and certainly wouldn't go to that extreme, talking about lynchings. That's not something you just come up with right on the spot....that man thought about that stuff well in advance.
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| nny156 wrote: | so i need help because i hold no sympathy for a bunch of dead teenagers?
ok so maybe the word "rejoice" was a little to much but to get back to the main point because this threads gone WAY off topic
the kid shouldn't have been allowed to continue talking even after the first comment and the least they could have done would be to disqualify him from the election if not a suspension because his speech was tasteless and blatenly inappropriate. |
Seriously man...let it out....how many times did you get beat up in high school?
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| Zocrates wrote: | | nny156 wrote: | so i need help because i hold no sympathy for a bunch of dead teenagers?
ok so maybe the word "rejoice" was a little to much but to get back to the main point because this threads gone WAY off topic
the kid shouldn't have been allowed to continue talking even after the first comment and the least they could have done would be to disqualify him from the election if not a suspension because his speech was tasteless and blatenly inappropriate. |
Seriously man...let it out....how many times did you get beat up in high school? |
WARNING: Silly, meaningless and insensitive joke incoming:
About as many times as you've been lynched by white people.
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| Moloth wrote: | | Zocrates wrote: | | nny156 wrote: | so i need help because i hold no sympathy for a bunch of dead teenagers?
ok so maybe the word "rejoice" was a little to much but to get back to the main point because this threads gone WAY off topic
the kid shouldn't have been allowed to continue talking even after the first comment and the least they could have done would be to disqualify him from the election if not a suspension because his speech was tasteless and blatenly inappropriate. |
Seriously man...let it out....how many times did you get beat up in high school? |
WARNING: Silly, meaningless and insensitive joke incoming:
About as many times as you've been lynched by white people. |
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i want an owl now 
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i want two.
i';d love to play with a pair of hooters every day.
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| Quote: | | this is one of the reasons why i rejoice in school shootings |
And this thread is why I hate political correctness and racial victimhood.
It promotes this kind of nihilistic righteous indignation, and provides validation and justification for violent actions. Does this kind of thinking promote violence or encourage dialog? Rejoicing in school shootings because some class clown valedictorian had some fun with his intentionally comedic speech makes you mentally ill. Try to examine yourself for a moment and look at what lengths you're going to to substantiate and legitimize your build-up of hate.
| Quote: | | survival of the fittest thin out the wastes of life that will be flipping burgers at fast food establishments like the kid in that video |
The kid in that video was a valedictorian... How can you possibly believe that his life will end in flipping burgers?
| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | personally I don't feel bothered, but it is odd that this sort of thing would be acceptable as a valedictorian speech. seems somewhat unprofessional. |
It's not the "Valedictorian speech," it's a speech he's giving before being elected to give a speech at graduation.
| Quote: | | But I definitely think Michael Richards has some issues with black folks. You don't go off talking about people being lynched and shouting nigger nigger nigger if you don't have some deeply harbored feelings about blacks. |
----But I definitely think (those guys/gals in the audience) have some issues with white folks. You don't go off talking about people being cracker asses and shouting cracker cracker cracker if you don't have some deeply harbored feelings about whites.---
...for race-baters like Zocrates, it's not a two way street. Is it?
For the guy to stand up and yell, "Thats uncalled for you cracker-ass motherfucker" is the greatest irony metaphorically, and greatest hypocrisy really, of this hypersensative PC culture.
| Quote: | | however haven't you ever gotten angry and said things you didn't really mean? |
Rarely. Normally when I'm angry I'll say exactly what I've been thinking.
Facts are facts, and those guys in the audience were being assholes, and have no respect for any of the audience members who they were disrupting, and no respect for the comedian who is performing his act. They are ass rude as assholes who talk during movies, except this time the "movie" told them to shut the fuck up, instead of members int he audience. Was calling them niggers necessary? Not really, but what would be the first thought that popped into your mind when you meet a black guy who happens to be an asshole? Your immediate reaction is to cut him as deep as possible, and racial slurs are a good way to do that. As moloth pointed out, "Maybe he WAS trying to just cut deep..." Even if you don't act on the thought, which most don't, it's still there in your mind... and you really can't control it. I think nigger all the time, but I don't use it exclusively with black people, and I don't use it exclusively because someone is black. It's more than an adjective that just describes skin color, it's evolved over time (like it or not) to designate a personality and behavior profile of glorified blatant disrespect.
| Quote: | If in a fit of anger, you start spouting off racist stuff, you're racist......IOW, you discriminate based on race.
And the act of discriminating based on race is.....racism. Richards was picking these people out based on their race..... |
He wasn't discriminating who his anger was directed toward based on race (in Richard's case) he was directing it based on "the noisy fuckers upstairs."
The Valedictorian wasn't joking about those people because he hates their race, but because they were in competition with him for a speech at graduation apparently.
...but... in true "I'm the Victim Zocrates" fashion, you want to label someone a racist because it legitimizes your "struggle." amirite?
| Quote: | | When these black people started to heckle him based on non-racial topics....Richards automatically jumped to lashing back at them based on race. |
It wasn't "automatic" the people upstairs were being rude the entire show, not only to Richard, but to the audience members around them trying to enjoy the show. ... but in true "I'm the victim Zocrates" the blacks are suddenly cleansed of any blame once a white man calls them niggers (EVEN IF they respond inthe same anger motivated fashion with the same racially based slur "cracker")
| Quote: | | I think any one who thinks that racism in public is okay should have the living shit beat out of them. |
Authentic racism, and what you choose to interpret through your screen of victimhood and thirst for racial legitimization as racism are different things entirely, no matter how blurred the PC multiculturalists blur the lines.
| Quote: | | And seriously, racism? I thought we got past that shit already |
Too many people have a vested interest in remaining offended for the rest of their lives.
Racism is more important to the people alleging themselves victims than anyone else.
Truth is, we are past it, as a culture... but most of those crying "racist" like Zocrates and you... won't let it die because you enjoy filtering through all of these instances and interpreting them as racism because it gives you a strong sense of identity, and unites you because you feel as though you are comrades fighting a similar social battle. In that sense it's understandable that many would "carry on an extinguished torch" for many more reasons than just equality.
In reality though this mentality is just mindless collectivism. You're deriving your identity from your crusade to defend the "black community" instead of just worrying about yourself as an individual... so you have to get into arguments about who are racists and for what reason, so that you have that enemy image that makes you stronger. Be yourself instead.
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| lumpymunk wrote: | | Quote: | | But I definitely think Michael Richards has some issues with black folks. You don't go off talking about people being lynched and shouting nigger nigger nigger if you don't have some deeply harbored feelings about blacks. |
----But I definitely think (those guys/gals in the audience) have some issues with white folks. You don't go off talking about people being cracker asses and shouting cracker cracker cracker if you don't have some deeply harbored feelings about whites.---
...for race-baters like Zocrates, it's not a two way street. Is it?
For the guy to stand up and yell, "Thats uncalled for you cracker-ass motherfucker" is the greatest irony metaphorically, and greatest hypocrisy really, of this hypersensative PC culture. |
Thanks for the assumption. You get two bears for that one 
Actually, the same applies for anyone that uses race to discriminate one person from another.....whether they're white, black, use nigger, cracker, whatever.
But by all means explain how I'm a race-baiter again....I'd love to hear it.
| Quote: | | ...but... in true "I'm the Victim Zocrates" fashion, you want to label someone a racist because it legitimizes your "struggle." amirite? |
Try re-reading anything I have ever said about race, and not only will you find that I have never said anything personally about my "struggle", but you'll also notice that my words could have easily been spoken by a white person, or spanish, or asian, etc. Try giving Tim Wise a read. He's a white guy that talks about this stuff in a way I never could. You don't have to experience any "struggle" or have an agenda to talk about race.
Educate yourself and quit the assumptions. People tend to look like morons when they do that.
| Quote: | | It wasn't "automatic" the people upstairs were being rude the entire show, not only to Richard, but to the audience members around them trying to enjoy the show. ... but in true "I'm the victim Zocrates" the blacks are suddenly cleansed of any blame once a white man calls them niggers (EVEN IF they respond inthe same anger motivated fashion with the same racially based slur "cracker") |
Wrong again my dim-witted oaf. If these idiots were goading him all night, they're just as retarded as Richards. But if you can't deal with hecklers, you shouldn't be a comedian. Nowhere did I try and absolve the hecklers as racists. You assume that because I talk about a white guy and his racist actions that I automatically try and jump to the rescue of every black man on the planet and shield him from scrutiny. Bad assumption kiddo.
Again, educate yourself.
I put most of the blame on the PROFESSIONAL who was unable to withstand heckling without jumping to the extremes that he did. Most people lash back by joking the person's clothing or how ugly they are. Richards jumps back by saying they'd be hanging from a tree with a fork up their ass if this was 50 years ago. Retarded? Yes. Did I get worked up about it or do I still care about this guy? No. Do I still laugh my ass off on Seinfeld when he's on? Yes. Was the stuff he said racist? Of course.
I'm being objective about this, how about you try doing the same.
| Quote: | Too many people have a vested interest in remaining offended for the rest of their lives.
Racism is more important to the people alleging themselves victims than anyone else.
Truth is, we are past it, as a culture... but most of those crying "racist" like Zocrates and you... won't let it die because you enjoy filtering through all of these instances and interpreting them as racism because it gives you a strong sense of identity, and unites you because you feel as though you are comrades fighting a similar social battle. In that sense it's understandable that many would "carry on an extinguished torch" for many more reasons than just equality.
In reality though this mentality is just mindless collectivism. You're deriving your identity from your crusade to defend the "black community" instead of just worrying about yourself as an individual... so you have to get into arguments about who are racists and for what reason, so that you have that enemy image that makes you stronger. Be yourself instead. |
Dude, please get over yourself. What Michael Richards did was racist, and you trying to deny that is probably worse than anyone trying to pull the race card at the drop of a hat. I was simply replying to HBA's comment and here you come with your self-righteous attitude and your personal feelings. Someone (HBA) made a claim about someone like Richards not being racist...I responded that it would be damn near impossible for someone to spew that kind of stuff and NOT have some everyday racist thoughts....and you chime in trying to make this personal.
Here's another bear for the road
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| Quote: | | Truth is, we are past it, as a culture... |
I hope I misunderstood you Lumpy, racism is certainly alive and well. I think we have to have two more generations die off before we can proclaim we are past it. I hope it is only two generations. By that I mean my fathers and mine, so another 30 years or so, depending on how the rest of my generation is raising their kids. My daughter never heard the word nigger until she was 5 and a neighbor girl convinced my daughter that my kids black girlfriend wanted to be called a nigger. When I approached the offending kids parent he laughed about it.
I truly don't know how she views blacks, she has a lot of black friends so that is promising for me, considering I was raised racist and still deal with that whole issue.
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Nope, you heard me correctly.
It doesn't have to be completely eliminated for one to simply pause and take the cultural temperature around a taboo topic to gauge how the pervading mentality is evolving around it. and compare that to where it was and project in the future about where it's headed... as well as take into account it's relative rate of change. Racism is frowned upon throughout society to such an extent that a hypersensitivity to it has developed in a kind of "stamp it out for good" fashion. You can lose your job quite easily for it, you can go from a beloved celebrity like Kramer to "the racist" or "the bigot" and that pretty much spells the end of your career... It IS this pervading mentality, providing motivation for enacting negative reinforcement against racists in society, and that really rings the death bell for the concept as a whole.
Racism is dead.
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| lumpymunk wrote: | Nope, you heard me correctly.
It doesn't have to be completely eliminated for one to simply pause and take the cultural temperature around a taboo topic to gauge how the pervading mentality is evolving around it. and compare that to where it was and project in the future about where it's headed... as well as take into account it's relative rate of change. Racism is frowned upon throughout society to such an extent that a hypersensitivity to it has developed in a kind of "stamp it out for good" fashion. You can lose your job quite easily for it, you can go from a beloved celebrity like Kramer to "the racist" or "the bigot" and that pretty much spells the end of your career... It IS this pervading mentality, providing motivation for enacting negative reinforcement against racists in society, and that really rings the death bell for the concept as a whole.
Racism is dead. |
Well, the main body and the organizational organs are dead. There are still a few cells left hoping to take the form of cultural viruses and infiltrate the public mind.
Whenever any idea loses credibility in the public mind, it goes "underground." That's how Christianity started, after all.
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| emo samurai wrote: | Well, the main body and the organizational organs are dead. There are still a few cells left hoping to take the form of cultural viruses and infiltrate the public mind.
Whenever any idea loses credibility in the public mind, it goes "underground." That's how Christianity started, after all. |
Well put.
It's quite obvious from his statement that lumpyfuck lives in a cave. He has apparently tried to logically conclude that racism is dead based on A, B, and C, rather than walk outside his cave and experience life and perform a test in the real world.
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