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tonyman1989
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| Quote: | | Hmm... this is forcing me to actually back-up belief...I don't like it... |
I'm just seeing why your not a strong atheists. All you have really said is you cn't disprove god.
| Quote: | | Where did the matter that created the universe come from? |
two places could create it
1. matter is postive enegry and gravity is negetive enegry and the negetive engry almost cancel the postive enegry out. so really there is much enegry in the universe.
2. matter can be created from nothing. virtual particles may pop in and out of existence.
heres a link.
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What do you mean by "nothing else"? The universe is EVERYTHING. |
that thats your explaintion of what god is.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Paranoia21 wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | God as in: the entity that supposedly created the universe. |
even then God doesn't explain what created him? Does he have a god? |
Hmm... this is forcing me to actually back-up belief...I don't like it...
Where did the matter that created the universe come from?
What do you mean by "nothing else"? The universe is EVERYTHING. |
everything? then how did someTHING create it, then?
see? even that description of 'god' is nonsensical.
its like saying 2+2=5.
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Chaoslord2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | God as in: the entity that supposedly created the universe. |
even then God doesn't explain what created him? Does he have a god? |
A Immanuel Kant observed, a theist would basically have to say God is a necessary being to escape the infinite chain of creators/designers.
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | God as in: the entity that supposedly created the universe. |
even then God doesn't explain what created him? Does he have a god? |
A Immanuel Kant observed, a theist would basically have to say God is a necessary being to escape the infinite chain of creators/designers. |
True, but I don't think this a logical agruement.
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"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Agnostics are people who want their cake and eat it. I put them in the same class of believers, whether they like it or not. |
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Chaoslord2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | Chaoslord2004 wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | God as in: the entity that supposedly created the universe. |
even then God doesn't explain what created him? Does he have a god? |
A Immanuel Kant observed, a theist would basically have to say God is a necessary being to escape the infinite chain of creators/designers. |
True, but I don't think this a logical agruement. |
Well, Kant gives arguments for why this is so.
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Paranoia21
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | God as in: the entity that supposedly created the universe. |
even then God doesn't explain what created him? Does he have a god? |
Hmm... this is forcing me to actually back-up belief...I don't like it...
Where did the matter that created the universe come from?
What do you mean by "nothing else"? The universe is EVERYTHING. |
everything? then how did someTHING create it, then?
see? even that description of 'god' is nonsensical.
its like saying 2+2=5. |
I see what you mean. If I say God created everything, then he created himself, which is a logical impossibility. But, then how did matter come into existence?
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Paranoia21 wrote: | | I see what you mean. If I say God created everything, then he created himself, which is a logical impossibility. But, then how did matter come into existence? |
Formation of the quark-gluon plasma at the end of the inflationary epoch through symmetry breaking.
Duh.
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Paranoia21
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You made me feel like a nerd after actually realizing I know what that means. Asshole.
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Agnostics are people who want their cake and eat it. I put them in the same class of believers, whether they like it or not. |
Really? I put them into the unbelievers class.
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"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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But, then how did matter come into existence? |
Did you read my post?
| Quote: | two explantion could explain where matter comes from.
1. matter is postive enegry and gravity is negetive enegry and the negetive engry almost cancel the postive enegry out. so really there is much enegry in the universe.
2. matter can be created from nothing. virtual particles may pop in and out of existence.
heres a link. |
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"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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heres the link
Sorry when I quoted my post it didn't have the link working here it is.
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"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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Moloth
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| Paranoia21 wrote: | | You made me feel like a nerd after actually realizing I know what that means. Asshole. |
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | Agnostics are people who want their cake and eat it. I put them in the same class of believers, whether they like it or not. |
Really? I put them into the unbelievers class. |
Not if they're diddling as to whether they believe or not. If they have doubts, then they unconsciously believe as most of them were believers to start with, and they have not made the full step to cross the threshold. |
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