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baddogma
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| knowitall wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: |
200 years of archaeological and textual research in Egypt has yet to yield a single shred of evidence for an exodus. There are enough anachronisms in the tale to dismiss it as a much later fiction. Read some real archaeology and you will learn this.
What is true is that c 1550 BC Egyptians attacked a Semitic (foreign) dynasty (know as the Hyksos) which had usurped the throne of Lower Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period. The Pharaoh leading this attack was Ahmose I. In a successful campaign Ahmose not only drove the Hyksos out of Egypt but chased them back to Canaan where Egypt established an imperial presence for the next 4 centuries. The Hyksos were Semites but not "Israelites" and they were rulers not slaves.
Had the Hyksos said to Ahmose "Let my people go" his reply would have been "Get the fuck out already." Cheaper and quicker than a 3 year siege of the Hyksos capital of Avaris. |
1550 BC, would have been 100 years before the Exodus. |
There was no exodus fucktard.
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Minimalist
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SirThinkALot wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | You guys need to get your story straight.
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| Quote: | | Jesus Christ, the Son of God, became a man, to save us from the sin that entered the world through Adam. "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned" (Romans 5:12). |
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Does that mean that we magically inherit Adam's sin? Or does it mean that Adam was the first to sin, thus setting a precident for 'sin' and punishment? I lean towards the latter, but I think either interpertation can be read here. |
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You tell me. I don't believe a word of it.
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Sky;Walker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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What Sirthinksalot fails to understand is the bible is what it is. His "Well I think" or "What it means to say" means shit.
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| baddogma wrote: | | I despise faith, it is simply glorified ignorance. |
| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
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Minimalist
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I don't know Sky. The bible is the ultimate Rohrshact test. It's so poorly written and translated that jesus can be turned into whatever the reader wants him to be.
He's kind of versatile!
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Sky;Walker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Minimalist wrote: | Oh, I don't know Sky. The bible is the ultimate Rohrshact test. It's so poorly written and translated that jesus can be turned into whatever the reader wants him to be.
He's kind of versatile! |
lmfao. What I mean to say is Genesis cleary presents the idea of Creationism. Some people say, no it's just about a moral story. lol huh? take it as it is, bcuz that's how it was meant to be taken.
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| baddogma wrote: | | I despise faith, it is simply glorified ignorance. |
| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf the Grey |
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Corky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: So, I finally started reading the bible... |
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| SirThinkALot wrote: | | Corky wrote: | Think - SirThinkaLot, Genesis has to be literally true for the New Testament to be literally true. The whole Bible stands or falls on this one book. Without it you have no fall of man, therefore, no need of a savior - no Jesus.
The book of Genesis is the main foundation stone of the Bible, unless it is literally true, you have no Bible. So, Adam lived 930 years - or not, you can't pick and choose. |
Wrong on sooooo many levels:
First the main foundation of the Bible is Jesus Christ.
A 'fall of man' is NOT a requirment for their to be a savior....unless you want to deny people sin.
Even if it is, that doesnt necessitate Adam living 930 years.
Further I do, in fact think its possible that there was a person named Adam. But his story has been exagerated by the time it was written in Genesis. |
Without there being a literal Adam who was literally the first man created 6,000 years ago and who sinned and passing his original sin to his descendants, there is no need of a savior called the last Adam to die for the sin of the first Adam - Jesus Christ. Accordingly, there was no death in the world until the sin of the first man:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Every human, according to the Bible, are "in Adam" because we were all still in him when he sinned, therefore, "in Adam all die" (I Cor. 15:22).
The problem is that we know for a fact that man has been on the planet way longer than the Adam in the Bible (6,000 years ago) and there was death in the world way before then. There has been death in the world for billions of years and even the death of only humans has been in the world for over 150,000 years. The Bible, therefore, is a crock of stinking bullshit.
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Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation?
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Corky
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that.
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Sky;Walker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
Corky is is right.
Another reason may be, they know it's bullshit. So thus they must do their best to interpret it as they see fit in order for it to sound a lil bit more reasonable. Perhaps?
It honestly pains me to meet people who are so smart, yet so narrowed by religion and the idea of God. 
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| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
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SirThinkALot
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Corky wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that. |
Or because atheists are still stuck in the fundy mentality of either 100% correct or 100% wrong.
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Sky;Walker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| SirThinkALot wrote: | | Corky wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that. |
Or because atheists are still stuck in the fundy mentality of either 100% correct or 100% wrong. |
lmfao, get out kid.
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| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf the Grey |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry kid, but if you don't believe Gensis to be true, your Jesus just has no importance anymore.
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| baddogma wrote: | | I despise faith, it is simply glorified ignorance. |
| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf the Grey |
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| SirThinkALot wrote: | | Corky wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that. |
Or because atheists are still stuck in the fundy mentality of either 100% correct or 100% wrong. |
It's either the word of god or it isn't. You have to make up your mind.
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SirThinkALot
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Minimalist wrote: | | SirThinkALot wrote: | | Corky wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that. |
Or because atheists are still stuck in the fundy mentality of either 100% correct or 100% wrong. |
It's either the word of god or it isn't. You have to make up your mind. |
I dont think its the 'word of God.' My own belief is that God INSPIRED(not dictated) people to write the books of the Bible.
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Sky;Walker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Minimalist wrote: | | SirThinkALot wrote: | | Corky wrote: | | Minimalist wrote: | Question for Sky and Corky.
Why is that atheists know this shit better than believers? What is wrong with this equation? |
It's because believers want their bullshit to be true and will do or say or ignore or believe anything to keep it that way and atheists are not willing to do that. |
Or because atheists are still stuck in the fundy mentality of either 100% correct or 100% wrong. |
It's either the word of god or it isn't. You have to make up your mind. |
I don't see why they cannot understand. Well, if it is the word of God, I must say God is a moron.
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| baddogma wrote: | | I despise faith, it is simply glorified ignorance. |
| SalsaShark wrote: | | Religion doesn't provide aid to a weak mind, religion produces a weak mind. |
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