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| Moloth wrote: | | old, fat, white men rule the world... i don't need a conspiracy or a secret cult to prove THAT. |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing
Oh wait...you're bitchin'...so that is something.
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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"Researchers estimate their wealth to be $500 trillion dollars".
Sigh... "studies" show that prayer works!
http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html
If it's real, we believe in it! 
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| skinny wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | old, fat, white men rule the world... i don't need a conspiracy or a secret cult to prove THAT. |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing
Oh wait...you're bitchin'...so that is something.
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skinny, you really have no clue as to what i do... so, i suggest you leave the arm-chair quarterbacking to yourself, at least in regards to me.
what have YOU done to 'shake up the paradigm', hm?
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I wonder if any of these "researchers" include Fritz Springmeier. Because here's what he has to say about the illuminati in "The 13 Illuminati Bloodlines":
Being a follower of Christ does not mean we should fear. Perfect love for Almighty God casts out our fear for the situation He has place us in. Don’t think for a moment you are going to vote the Illuminati out of office. They control the major and minor political parties. They control the process of government, they control the process of information flow, they control the process of creating money and finally they control Christendom. (However, God controls the hearts of His people.) I have provided information on how to respond in some of my other writings. This book will not tell you how to deal with the Illuminati families. This volume is simply the first of two volumes which is published to give an overview of what the Illuminati is. In short the Illuminati are generational Satanic bloodlines which have gained the most power. A generational Satanist described the Illuminati as "Satan’s elite."
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | "Researchers estimate their wealth to be $500 trillion dollars".
Sigh... "studies" show that prayer works!
http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html
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I don't know what you mean to say with the link, but I don't think you have to believe in the anti-christ or that the end is near to think some very wealthy and powerful men control things in this world. I'm not saying this definitely is the case, but it's at least more credible than belief in god.
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| Zocrates wrote: | | I don't know what you mean to say with the link, but I don't think you have to believe in the anti-christ or that the end is near to think some very wealthy and powerful men control things in this world. |
Depends on what you mean by "control things". Do wealthy and powerful men sometimes do bad things for their own gain? Sure. Do they exert more influence on world affairs than you or I do? Probably.
Do they conspire through illuminati bloodlines to manipulate most major world events known to man? Well, that's a little different...
Put 100 Illuminati believers in a room, and you'll get 97 different interpretations of who "they" really are, from conspiratory cabal to lizard-men.
Remind you of something?
| Quote: | | I'm not saying this definitely is the case, but it's at least more credible than belief in god. |
So what? The "microscopic gnome" theory of mitosis (where gnomes pull apart the chromosomes) is also more credible than an omni-max God.
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| Philosophos wrote: | Depends on what you mean by "control things". Do wealthy and powerful men sometimes do bad things for their own gain? Sure. Do they exert more influence on world affairs than you or I do? Probably.
Do they conspire through illuminati bloodlines to manipulate most major world events known to man? Well, that's a little different... |
I think "manipulating most world events known to man" falls under the same category as "doing bad things for their own gain". How are the two any different?
I'm just saying that if it was the case that orchestrating something like 9/11 made a lot of folks rich, I don't put it past some human beings to do stuff like that.
For example, my friend of more than 10 years just told me the other day that he doesn't believe in respect. He uses people, including his friends, for his own personal gain. He actually told me I was a tool to him. The guy has no emotion at all, and needless to say I haven't spoken to him since. It's people like that, that make me believe that there are people in higher up places that are callous enough to use humans as pawns for their own benefit.....even to the point of killing them off by the thousands if not millions.
I'm just saying....it's possible. I'm saying nothing more than that at this point.
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| Zocrates wrote: | | I think "manipulating most world events known to man" falls under the same category as "doing bad things for their own gain". How are the two any different? |
The specifics of what "they" are doing, who "they" are, and how "they" are doing it.
| Quote: | | I'm just saying....it's possible. I'm saying nothing more than that at this point. |
Sure. It's possible, in that there's nothing self-contradictory about it.
That doesn't get you very far, though.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Zocrates wrote: | | I'm just saying....it's possible. I'm saying nothing more than that at this point. |
Sure. It's possible, in that there's nothing self-contradictory about it.
That doesn't get you very far, though. |
I don't mind not going very far since I'm not trying to go anywhere with it. 
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| Zocrates wrote: | | I don't mind not going very far since I'm not trying to go anywhere with it. |
Alright. Then if I take what you've said and end it there, we're in agreement.
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| Moloth wrote: | | skinny wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | old, fat, white men rule the world... i don't need a conspiracy or a secret cult to prove THAT. |
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing
Oh wait...you're bitchin'...so that is something.
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skinny, you really have no clue as to what i do... so, i suggest you leave the arm-chair quarterbacking to yourself, at least in regards to me.
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I don't know everything you do. I only know from what you reveal online, and that's the information that I use.
Your attitude is that of passive acceptance. You don't care that these men rule the world?
| Quote: | | what have YOU done to 'shake up the paradigm', hm? |
Do a fucking search on my posts: Ron Paul, Federal Reserve, etc.
Just by starting this thread it's a start to debate this topic. There's a lot of information and misinformation that has to be sorted out. Since a lot of this information is kept secret, it's hard to corroborate the information coming from few sources. The actions of a few individuals have great consequences on the rest of humanity, so I do care what is really going on. It's in my rational self interest to talk about it. It's not like invading the privacy of individuals that have no bearing on the rest of the world.
There's a lot of good information coming out of Alex Jones, and recently Texe Marrs (who I discredited years ago because he was a christian). AJ is one too, but he does a damn good job in exposing the truth. I don't endorse everything they say, but I respect that they are exposing this all. I lost some respect for people like James Randi and the Skeptics Society, but my approach to finding out what's true is Carl Sagan's 'healthy skepticism'.
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