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| Eyedunno wrote: | From the classic Buddhist Kōjien Sutra:
りん‐ね【輪廻】‥ヱ
①〔仏〕(梵語 saṃsāra 流れる意) 車輪が回転してきわまりないように、衆生が三界六道に迷いの生死を重ねてとどまることのないこと。迷いの世界を生きかわり死にかわること。流転（るてん）。輪転。宇津保物語（俊蔭）「―しつる一人が腹に八生宿り」。「―生死（しようじ）」「―転生（てんしよう）」⇔涅槃（ねはん）。 |
Wow, it all makes perfect sense now!  
| Eyedunno wrote: | rinne (輪廻) (classical form: rinwe)
1. （Budd.) (Sanskrit saṃsāra "flowing") The concept of creatures building upon a cycle of life and death where they wander in confusion through the three words and six realms like a wheel turning without end. Living repeatedly and dying repeatedly in a world of confusion. Ruten. Rinten. From Utsuho Monogatari: "Rinne shitsuru hitori ga hara ni hasshou tomari" (one who reincarnates time and again spends eight lifetimes in the stomach). ~ Shouji. ~ Tenshou. Ant. Nehan (nirvana). |
Thanks for the data. 
| Eyedunno wrote: | And yes, reincarnation is a part of Mahayana Buddhism, but maybe not all schools, and maybe not in California.  |
We roll our own way out here in hippie-commie-land, ... er, I mean California.  |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: |
We roll our own way out here in hippie-commie-land, ... er, I mean California. |
Hell yeah!
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On a radio program I was listening to once, the DJs were casually talking about reincarnation and some Muslim called up the station and was like....
"Reincarnation is nonsense...why would god recycle souls?"
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AHAHAHAHA
muslims are the most retarded of theist from my experience 
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CET
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | On a radio program I was listening to once, the DJs were casually talking about reincarnation and some Muslim called up the station and was like....
"Reincarnation is nonsense...why would god recycle souls?"
Heh. |
Even god is eco-friendly. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | Got a Mahayana source? |
Here're three examples of rebirth occurring in Mahayanan texts.
"Now, Sariputra, what do you think, were these living beings [beings existing in the 'world-system Bliss'] ever in an animal womb? You should not see it that way. Why is this so? In that buddha-field, Sariputra, even the words for unfortunate rebirths are not known, words for the inhabitants of the hells, or the words for the various forms of rebirth in animal wombs, or for the beings of the realm of Yama."
-Wonderful Panoply of the Land of Bliss (Sukhavativyuha), tr. Donald Lopez
"Thereupon the venerable Subhuti said to the bodhisattva Maiytrea, 'Maiytrea, the Lord has declared you to be one rebirth away from supreme and perfect awakening...'"
-The Dispelling of Ajatasatru's Remorse, tr. Donald Lopez
And my favorite one - from your ass-buddy who cut off his eyelids (and who, according to the "Anthology of the Patriarchal Hall", fucking resurrected):
"Invoking buddhas results in good karma, reciting sutras results in good memory, keeping precepts results in a good rebirth, and making offerings results in future blessings - but no Buddha.
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Even if [a person] can recite the Twelvefold Canon, he can't escape the Wheel of Birth and Death. He suffers in the three realms without hope of release."
-The Bloodstream Sermon of Bodhidharma, tr. Red Pine
There's really a lot more where that came from.
Dude - there's Mahayanan literature just dealing with the previous lives of the Buddha alone (e.g. the Dhammasondaka - although admittedly, these so-called jataka tales also appear in the Pali canon). Face facts: rebirth is fairly integral to all three major vehicles of Buddhism. Hell - it's one of the many reasons I don't consider myself a Buddhist, even though I just started practicing Vipassana meditation, and take at least the first two Noble Truths to heart. The fact is: most of Buddhism is bullshit. Much of it is interesting to me (but so's Christianity), and there's a small bit of it that's really profound (unlike pretty much all of Christianity). But much of Buddhism's metaphysics is pretty wacky and most likely wrong.
I really do hope that in your next life you won't suck so much.
Namaste, hippy.
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| Philosophos wrote: | I really do hope that in your next life you won't suck so much.
Namaste, hippy. |
*bows*
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*snrkk..
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Why are Buddhists so hateful?
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | |
Why are Buddhists so hateful? |
Because non-Buddhists are inferior, DUH! 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | Because non-Buddhists are inferior, DUH! |
Huh.
And sensei taught you that biting sarcasm is zen?
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | | Because non-Buddhists are inferior, DUH! |
Huh.
And sensei taught you that biting sarcasm is zen? |
Well FFS, you're bumping everything, needle dick  |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | Well FFS, you're bumping everything, needle dick |
Well.... I kinda thought that CET would learn from it... but given your input...
Hell... you're a fucking retard alcoholic dipshit. Why aren't you dead yet?
Oh.... so, CET.... what do you think of my comment?
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| Philosophos wrote: | | [quote="Wickedtruth"Well FFS, you're bumping everything, needle dick |
Well.... I kinda thought that CET would learn from it... but given your input...
Hell... you're a fucking retard alcoholic dipshit. Why aren't you dead yet?
Oh.... so, CET.... what do you think of my comment?[/quote]
I've no clue. My liver is like Rocky Balboa. Kick it, punch it, it never gives up. Go to sleep weirdo! |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | I've no clue. My liver is like Rocky Balb=oa. Kick it, punch it, it never gives up. Go to sleep weirdo! |
| Quote: | | Why are alcoholics so aniti-freedom? |
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