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Specus_Meretricis
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| kmisho wrote: | | Here's where a little knowledge of American history can give us some hope. Crackpot spiritualism has had resurgences in America many times before and always been contained. That's not to say that it won't succeed and overpower this time, just that there is prescedent to think that it won't. The recent spate of atheist books and their popularity may be just the indicator we're looking for. |
Oddly enough, I was thinking of this the other day Kmisho. I was thinking about how in the 20s there was Fashionable Atheist and weird ass spiritualism cults and whatnot. |
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kmisho
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Here's where a little knowledge of American history can give us some hope. Crackpot spiritualism has had resurgences in America many times before and always been contained. That's not to say that it won't succeed and overpower this time, just that there is prescedent to think that it won't. The recent spate of atheist books and their popularity may be just the indicator we're looking for. |
Oddly enough, I was thinking of this the other day Kmisho. I was thinking about how in the 20s there was Fashionable Atheist and weird ass spiritualism cults and whatnot. |
Exactly. And who was at the forefront of exposing it? Harry Houdini.
And who is at the forefront of exposing it now? Penn and Teller and James Randi.
Magicians are great for this stuff.
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ColinTB
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im a believer and i accept evolution...theism and evolution can (and do) coexist
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Moloth
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinTB wrote: | | im a believer and i accept evolution...theism and evolution can (and do) coexist |
its true. seemingly rare, but true.
| Quote: | "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."
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huh. so why not lose that irrational, undefendable faith in magic? Why not be free to think for yourself?
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Specus_Meretricis
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| kmisho wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Here's where a little knowledge of American history can give us some hope. Crackpot spiritualism has had resurgences in America many times before and always been contained. That's not to say that it won't succeed and overpower this time, just that there is prescedent to think that it won't. The recent spate of atheist books and their popularity may be just the indicator we're looking for. |
Oddly enough, I was thinking of this the other day Kmisho. I was thinking about how in the 20s there was Fashionable Atheist and weird ass spiritualism cults and whatnot. |
Exactly. And who was at the forefront of exposing it? Harry Houdini.
And who is at the forefront of exposing it now? Penn and Teller and James Randi.
Magicians are great for this stuff. |
Very true! I didn't think about that! |
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| Moloth wrote: | | ColinTB wrote: | | im a believer and i accept evolution...theism and evolution can (and do) coexist |
its true. seemingly rare, but true.
| Quote: | "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."
------Chuck Palahniuk |
huh. so why not lose that irrational, undefendable faith in magic? Why not be free to think for yourself? |
Moloth is right. I would say that quote goes against your belief, Colin.
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| ColinTB wrote: | | im a believer and i accept evolution...theism and evolution can (and do) coexist |
but how was there death before sin?
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In Colin's defense, it's true that evolution does not inherently invalidate theism. It does sort of turn god into a 5th wheel though.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
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which theism? Abrahamic theism? Yes because in their view humans are the pinnacle of creation where the universe is created for man.
In a grander religious view, such as belief in Brahman or a passive 'all existance' of 'abstract deity', evolution and faith can co-exist w/o conflict
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tonyman1989
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| kmisho wrote: | | In Colin's defense, it's true that evolution does not inherently invalidate theism. It does sort of turn god into a 5th wheel though. |
only if you don't take it at it's word on every little thing.
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | In Colin's defense, it's true that evolution does not inherently invalidate theism. It does sort of turn god into a 5th wheel though. |
only if you don't take it at it's word on every little thing. |
Oh - I totally agree, tony. I don't suggest taking it literally either.
I feel that "natural selection" is more a metaphor for the arbitrary yet sometimes cruel consumer preference in our materialistic society. Whereas "genetic drift" symbolizes the nonplussed GenXers, as they wander through the spiritual wasteland that post-modernity has wrought upon them - a nonchalant and vorbotten blending of "The Same" and "The Other."
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Do you take the bible literally?
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ColinTB
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about my quote
you can take it that way...but i take it in the way that there is hypocrisy in my faith because i follow a master who commands me to give up all of my belongings to the poor...and i dont...so i am not entirely free until i bow down and serve Christ
to tonyman:
i do not take the bible as a whole
before you throw rocks at me and BOOO
Jesus refers to the Old Testament a total of 25 times...that may make you think that he took the Torah word for word and literal. But i know (based on logic) that most of the stories in the Old Testament (Noah, Jonah, Adam and Eve) are impossible.
But i do believe in the gospels...and i do follow Jesus...not in the relgion "Christianity" but as my rabii
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How old is the earth?
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ColinTB
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tonyman:
i wish i could tell you the answer to that...but here you go
1. it doesnt matter...god will not judge me if i think the earth is a few months old...hahaha
2. i like to think the earth is hundreds of palyas old...if you dont know what a palya is...ill be happy to explain
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