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VinceNoir
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 Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Question for atheists |
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| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide? |
Its worth reading if only for the lulz.
If you can't be arsed (I wouldnt blame you), it is a very long boring read, just skip to revelations. That shit is crazy.
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Raskolnikov
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Question for atheists |
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| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | Would you recommend reading the bible? |
Yes
| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | I want to know if it's worth it, |
I think so.
| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | and whether it somehow makes sense |
It really doesn't.
| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. |
Depends on your taste really. I think for the most part it was incredibly boring.
| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide? |
The same way most Christians do: By cherrypicking the scripture they want to teach.
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ApostateLois
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It's boring, but if you are going to debate with Christians, confront them on their beliefs, or simply defend yourself from their nonsense, then you should read it. Otherwise, they'll say, "Well, you never read it, so what do you know?" It is like offering a critical review of a movie you never watched.
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Here's a few things to remember if you are going to read the bible.
This warning should really be in forward...but it's not.
1. The Bible is not a book. It's a collection of ancient sacred history, folklore, mythology, laws, wisdom teachings, poetry, allegories and whacko prophecy.
2. The collection you read was decided by various theocrat committees over time. There are many different 'collections'.
3. Scholars are not certain who wrote the vast majority of it, including the NT gospels.
4. It's been redacted, by again, who knows, how many theocrats.
5. It's been translated from it's original languages. There are various translations available.
6. It's not neccesarily arranged in the chronological order it was written. Especially not the NT.
7. The authors of the bible were probably exclusively men...some of them seem quite cranky.
8. The authors and redactors and translators of the various books of the bible had different theological agendas and target audiences in mind. You were not one of them.
9. The settings in the bible are from ancient near east cultures quite foreign to modern Western culture, thus you may not appreciate the context.
10. It doesn't tell a cohesive story with a happy ending in the least. Thus, don't expect it to be "Harry Jesus Potter and the Night of the Living Dead"
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| LakeGeorgeMan wrote: | Here's a few things to remember if you are going to read the bible.
This warning should really be in forward...but it's not.
1. The Bible is not a book. It's a collection of ancient sacred history, folklore, mythology, laws, wisdom teachings, poetry, allegories and whacko prophecy.
2. The collection you read was decided by various theocrat committees over time. There are many different 'collections'.
3. Scholars are not certain who wrote the vast majority of it, including the NT gospels.
4. It's been redacted, by again, who knows, how many theocrats.
5. It's been translated from it's original languages. There are various translations available.
6. It's not neccesarily arranged in the chronological order it was written. Especially not the NT.
7. The authors of the bible were probably exclusively men...some of them seem quite cranky.
8. The authors and redactors and translators of the various books of the bible had different theological agendas and target audiences in mind. You were not one of them.
9. The settings in the bible are from ancient near east cultures quite foreign to modern Western culture, thus you may not appreciate the context.
10. It doesn't tell a cohesive story with a happy ending in the least. Thus, don't expect it to be "Harry Jesus Potter and the Night of the Living Dead" |
NICE! This should be on the outside sleeve of every bible. 
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Paulheys
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I have read it and found it immensely confusing. I read it through several times since and it still makes no sense. Would I recommend it? Sure but not as a moral guide as it preaches as much hate as good but as an important piece of literature.
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Sure it is IF YOU LIKE FAIRY TALES!
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| Read the Old Testament, just for a good solid laugh. |
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| Quote: | | 7. The authors of the bible were probably exclusively men...some of them seem quite cranky. |
Nice British flair for understatement you have there. |
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Reading the bible for anything more than to increase your reading and understanding abilities is a horrible idea. The bible is full of very bad moral values and shouldn't be taken lightly.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Question for atheists |
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| SpunkyChicken wrote: | | Would you recommend reading the bible? I want to know if it's worth it, and whether it somehow makes sense or becomes more interesting somewhere in the middle. How can someone who doesn't believe in god interpret it so it becomes a good and moral guide? |
It makes a darn good bed time story.
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | | 7. The authors of the bible were probably exclusively men...some of them seem quite cranky. |
Nice British flair for understatement you have there. |
The Song of Solomon is ostensibly written by a woman. And the formidably erudite literary scholar Harold Bloom claims, on internal textual evidence, that the early books of the Old Testament, up to 2 Kings, were written by a single author, who he believes was a non-Jewish woman living at the court of King Solomon. He fingers Solomon's mom, Queen Bathsheba. |
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chookrooter
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| Quote: | | He fingers Solomon's mom, Queen Bathsheba. |
That's nice.
--and that matters exactly why? |
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Andreusz
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| chookrooter wrote: | | Quote: | | He fingers Solomon's mom, Queen Bathsheba. |
That's nice.
--and that matters exactly why? |
I just find it amusing. |
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chookrooter
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| Quote: | | I just find it amusing |
Oh,on that level,so do I When you consider how paternalistic the Abrahamic faiths are, it has a delicious irony. 
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Judaic Trivia: According to the apocryphal "BookOf Adam and Eve" the first woman was not Eve. Her name was Lilith, an uppity red headed harridan who scared the crap out of Adam. So god banished Lilith and made Eve, who was more docile (that turned out splendidly too) Lilith became Queen of The Demons.. To this day there is a superstitious dread of red headed women.Especially amongst some Hassidic Jews. |
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