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Castaa
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If I'm betting on anyone, it's him at this point. His Iowa caucus victory speech was very good tonight.
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lol @ thinking the election is wrapped up 11 months in advance.
I want Ron Paul to win so we can all see how badly the free market works in practice. At least it'll be the end of pseudo-intellectual libertarianism for a while. |
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| LOLatChristians wrote: | lol @ thinking the election is wrapped up 11 months in advance.
I want Ron Paul to win so we can all see how badly the free market works in practice. At least it'll be the end of pseudo-intellectual libertarianism for a while. |
I didn't say wrapped up... and let's not bring Ron Paul into this.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Castaa wrote: | | LOLatChristians wrote: | lol @ thinking the election is wrapped up 11 months in advance.
I want Ron Paul to win so we can all see how badly the free market works in practice. At least it'll be the end of pseudo-intellectual libertarianism for a while. |
I didn't say wrapped up... and let's not bring Ron Paul into this. |
Tooo late! You can't stop the wrath that will soon ascend upon this forum! Muahaha
But yeah if theres someone other then Ron Paul who I'd like to win it's Obama.
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Yeah, my post was more of a general sigh at the media and American public who think the Iowa caucus has decided who will represent each party.
Frankly, I don't really care who wins the '08 Presidency. Not one of them, in my opinion, is fit to be President. Just another reason to add to my list of reasons why I don't vote. |
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has everyone on this forum gone off ron paul ever since he said he didnt believe in evolution?
i thought he was the only one who was worth supporting
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| RyanDzundza wrote: | has everyone on this forum gone off ron paul ever since he said he didnt believe in evolution?
i thought he was the only one who was worth supporting |
That's actually one of the least of my concerns with Ron Paul. I haven't ever supported him and never will.
Free market = Crash and burn. |
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Speaking of pseudo-intellectual, how can anyone know "how badly the free market works in practice"? Can you show us one instance where it has been done?
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| Chris Johnston wrote: | | Speaking of pseudo-intellectual, how can anyone know "how badly the free market works in practice"? Can you show us one instance where it has been done? |
Chile under Pinochet. The ultimate clean slate for Milton Friedman's disciples. Oh, how awful that country became under the rule of free market wackos. |
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| LOLatChristians wrote: | | Chris Johnston wrote: | | Speaking of pseudo-intellectual, how can anyone know "how badly the free market works in practice"? Can you show us one instance where it has been done? |
Chile under Pinochet. The ultimate clean slate for Milton Friedman's disciples. Oh, how awful that country became under the rule of free market wackos. |
I have my grievances with free markets, but a 'free market' under a military dictatorship? That seems to me like a far stretch - I find right-wing authoritarianism incompatible with free market, since a military dictatorship would be politically against left-wing and/or liberal market forces; basically Nazi Germany style government.
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| Sal1981 wrote: | | LOLatChristians wrote: | | Chris Johnston wrote: | | Speaking of pseudo-intellectual, how can anyone know "how badly the free market works in practice"? Can you show us one instance where it has been done? |
Chile under Pinochet. The ultimate clean slate for Milton Friedman's disciples. Oh, how awful that country became under the rule of free market wackos. |
I have my grievances with free markets, but a 'free market' under a military dictatorship? That seems to me like a far stretch - I find right-wing authoritarianism incompatible with free market, since a military dictatorship would be politically against left-wing and/or liberal market forces; basically Nazi Germany style government. |
This is why the difference between theory and practice is so important to take into account. I keep trying to stress this to our more radical capitalists. It looks good on paper, but...
It may seem like free markets and authoritarianism are phislosophical oil and water. But China is authoritarian capitalist and is kicking everybody else's ass. In my view, the dichotomy is more apparent than real.
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| LOLatChristians wrote: | lol @ thinking the election is wrapped up 11 months in advance.
I want Ron Paul to win so we can all see how badly the free market works in practice. At least it'll be the end of pseudo-intellectual libertarianism for a while. |
i totally agree, when is this new libertarian fad going to die down? it's going old. most of them (NOT ALL) cannot even back their beliefs... they just say things like, "we want total freedom from government in the free market," and all those lil slogans. but i don't think paul or any other libertarians opinions on economics are good. |
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If you want to see a libertarian with sound economic knowledge (mastery I'd say) and the understanding that a government is necessary look at Dr. Walter E Williams.
http://gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
Most libertarians that see the full picture are Republicans. Not because the party does libertarianism right but because it actually wins elections.
This may not continue to be true as my party needs a lot of help but so does the other one. If this keeps going we may see other parties grow in power.
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I think obama is a very good public speaker. My mother said that they were pointing out how he doesnt have the political experience to be president. But i dont know how correct that is any comments on his experience in politics?
This election will be my first time voting-
Im stoked
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | I think obama is a very good public speaker. My mother said that they were pointing out how he doesnt have the political experience to be president. But i dont know how correct that is any comments on his experience in politics?
This election will be my first time voting-
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I think lack of experience may work to Obama's favor. As Obama himself said, Cheney and Rumsfeld had lots of experience and that didn't work out to well.
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