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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:01 am Post subject:
Shiranu wrote:
Great, Bush Jr. the II is picking up in polls! Wewt wewt!
The Rick Copeland still thinks McCain's going to win. Really. And with that little Quatto dude growing out of his left jowl we'll have the first conjoined presidency ever! Fuckin' a! It's presidential parthenogenesis! _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
-- George W. Bush on Clinton's involvement in Kosovo, 1999
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:02 am Post subject:
SvZurich wrote:
And McCain said he regretted not keeping his first marriage together. *yawn* She waited for him while he was imprisoned and presumed dead, held out hope, survived a disfiguring car accident, and he dumped her when he got home. Guess he needed a rich trophy wife for a successful political career where looks are important.
Or perhaps McQuatto just digs chicks that look like Skeletor... _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
-- George W. Bush on Clinton's involvement in Kosovo, 1999
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:03 am Post subject:
McCain is able to reproduce through asexual budding! Good catch, TheRickCopeland! _________________ Kimberly (HSBUH) aka
Baroness Sylvia von Zurich (the only Goldwater Conservative) endorses the Meadow Party's Bill and Opus for the 2012 Presidential election!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:12 am Post subject:
Buckster wrote:
madoba wrote:
At the time Congress authorized the president to use force in Iraq He was a state senator in illinois. This was even brought up by all the other democratic candidates in the primaries. So now B.O is saying that the toughest decision he ever had to make was a decision he never had to make. LOL. B.O. is a riot.
We all made decisions at that time to support or oppose the war, and for many, it was a difficult decision.
You are showing just how shallow you really are with all this junk.
But his pooint was that Obama never made a decision regarding Iraq. He wasn't a US senator at the time, he was a state senator of Illinois. _________________
It is as though your species' brain is too small to hold a simple thought such as, WE WILL KILL YOU FOR DISOBEYING!
This is not a complex idea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:10 am Post subject:
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Buckster wrote:
madoba wrote:
At the time Congress authorized the president to use force in Iraq He was a state senator in illinois. This was even brought up by all the other democratic candidates in the primaries. So now B.O is saying that the toughest decision he ever had to make was a decision he never had to make. LOL. B.O. is a riot.
We all made decisions at that time to support or oppose the war, and for many, it was a difficult decision.
You are showing just how shallow you really are with all this junk.
But his pooint was that Obama never made a decision regarding Iraq. He wasn't a US senator at the time, he was a state senator of Illinois.
I recall that I made a decision regarding the Iraq war at the time, and thoroughly opposed it. I missed the meeting where it was decided that a decision has to be one that impacts people from the Federal level. _________________ Yeah... I said that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:20 am Post subject:
Buckster wrote:
I recall that I made a decision regarding the Iraq war at the time, and thoroughly opposed it.
Well, I hereby decide to cure cancer.
Praise me!
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I missed the meeting where it was decided that a decision has to be one that impacts people from the Federal level.
We're talking about a specific kind of decision. One that determines whether or not the US military forces shall be deployed.
No wonder you missed it, it was in 1787. _________________
It is as though your species' brain is too small to hold a simple thought such as, WE WILL KILL YOU FOR DISOBEYING!
This is not a complex idea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:
John McCain is taking an opportunity to claim an advantage over Obama in foreign affairs. And he's doing it — with a script drawn straight from Clinton.
Yep, that Russia's invasion of Georgia is now a "3 a.m. moment" in one of McCain's ad, Is Obama ready to lead? And the US, being the land of fucking morons, the ad is working. What a surprise!!!
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:27 am Post subject:
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Buckster wrote:
I recall that I made a decision regarding the Iraq war at the time, and thoroughly opposed it.
Well, I hereby decide to cure cancer.
Praise me!
As you wish, you have my praise. I honestly don't see what that has to do with anything though, to be honest.
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
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I missed the meeting where it was decided that a decision has to be one that impacts people from the Federal level.
We're talking about a specific kind of decision. One that determines whether or not the US military forces shall be deployed.
No wonder you missed it, it was in 1787.
So, none of us are allowed to make a personal decision on whether to support or oppose the war?
Sorry, but I don't get it...
Let's review briefly:
Madoba wrote:
In a recent forum (saddleback church), B.O. was asked a question, "What was the toughest decision he ever made?"
B.O. answered that opposing the war in Iraq was “as tough a decision that I’ve had to make, not only because there were political consequences but also because Saddam Hussein was a bad person and there was no doubt he meant America ill.
Where does it say that the toughest decision he ever made was whether to send troops to Iraq, or to vote in Congress to authorize the war or to fund it? Was the question, "what was the toughest decision you've made AS A US SENATOR? If so, my apologies, but it wasn't put that way, and I took Madoba's statement at face value. _________________ Yeah... I said that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:32 am Post subject:
Buckster wrote:
So, none of us are allowed to make a personal decision on whether to support or oppose the war?
Sure you can make decisions, but it's not really impressive if those decissions will have little to no consequences, and don't make you responsible for anything.
If some poeple are impressed by this, that's fine by me, but maybe Obama should be a bit more honest about the whole thing, and explained it was a personal decision that had little to do with his career? _________________
It is as though your species' brain is too small to hold a simple thought such as, WE WILL KILL YOU FOR DISOBEYING!
This is not a complex idea.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Buckster wrote:
So, none of us are allowed to make a personal decision on whether to support or oppose the war?
Sure you can make decisions, but it's not really impressive if those decissions will have little to no consequences, and don't make you responsible for anything.
If some poeple are impressed by this, that's fine by me, but maybe Obama should be a bit more honest about the whole thing, and explained it was a personal decision that had little to do with his career?
Obviously, it has plenty to do with his career, since it's being brought up as a way to assess the man as he runs for president. He must have known as he wrangled with whether to support or oppose the war that eventually, it would come back to him in his political career, just as it's doing.
Every politician from dog catcher to president at the time was being pushed for an answer regarding whether they supported or opposed the war. That he was 'only' in a state legislature at the time doesn't mean that he wasn't being pushed for his take on it. People wanted to know; news outlets wanted answers, colleagues and party affiliates wanted to know where representatives stood. I'm just saying that, though I can understand it from a personal standpoint, as we all made such decisions, it was certainly more than that to politicians, even lowly state legislators.
And the point remains that even personal decisions can be some of the most difficult decisions any of us will make. If this happened to be one of the most difficult decisions he's made, for whatever reason, why fault him for being honest about it when asked?
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:19 am Post subject:
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:
Buckster wrote:
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Buckster wrote:
So, none of us are allowed to make a personal decision on whether to support or oppose the war?
Sure you can make decisions, but it's not really impressive if those decissions will have little to no consequences, and don't make you responsible for anything.
If some poeple are impressed by this, that's fine by me, but maybe Obama should be a bit more honest about the whole thing, and explained it was a personal decision that had little to do with his career?
Obviously, it has plenty to do with his career, since it's being brought up as a way to assess the man as he runs for president. He must have known as he wrangled with whether to support or oppose the war that eventually, it would come back to him in his political career, just as it's doing.
I'm assesing it alright. I'm asking Has he ever made a decision that affected anyone other than himself?
I guess I have'nt been paying that much attention to B.O., but I thought he opposed the war in the U.S. Senate. I was shocked to learn he was'nt in the senate at the time, and it's looking more and more to me like he staked his opposition to the war on a purely personal basis to further his own agenda at becoming a U.S. Senator.
The only real experience B.O has is his 20 year affiliation with the ignorant, racist Reverend wright's Church.
There is nothing gut wrenching about a democratic politician adopting an anti-war stance to an unpopular war started by a republican president.
And as far a funding the war, He's done it every year Geroge W. has told him too.
It's unbelievable how little experience or accomplishment B.O. really has and it's no wonder he will not debate John McCain in a town hall debate. I'm now convinced B.O. has never made an important decision that affected anyone other than himself.
And How can we even judge his ability to manage a campaign with the unlimited, and unprecedented amount of money being raised on the internet for him. He has 5 more times the money than any opponent. I could run an effective campaign with all the money he has.
What were the democrats thinking? Unbelievable they might as well have nominate George Clooney because Clooney looks cool and can give as good a speech as B.O. while parroting the liberal party line.
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:
madoba wrote:
Buckster wrote:
Ivan_Ivanov wrote:
Buckster wrote:
So, none of us are allowed to make a personal decision on whether to support or oppose the war?
Sure you can make decisions, but it's not really impressive if those decissions will have little to no consequences, and don't make you responsible for anything.
If some poeple are impressed by this, that's fine by me, but maybe Obama should be a bit more honest about the whole thing, and explained it was a personal decision that had little to do with his career?
Obviously, it has plenty to do with his career, since it's being brought up as a way to assess the man as he runs for president. He must have known as he wrangled with whether to support or oppose the war that eventually, it would come back to him in his political career, just as it's doing.
I'm assesing it alright. I'm asking Has he ever made a decision that affected anyone other than himself?
I guess I have'nt been paying that much attention to B.O., but I thought he opposed the war in the U.S. Senate. I was shocked to learn he was'nt in the senate at the time, and it's looking more and more to me like he staked his opposition to the war on a purely personal basis to further his own agenda at becoming a U.S. Senator.
Actually his opposition to the war cost him dearly when everyone was for the war. Caused political backlash and it made him lose his first attempt at US Senate.
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The only real experience B.O has is his 20 year affiliation with the ignorant, racist Reverend wright's Church.
Reverand Wright NEVER said anything rascist while Obama was there. Some experts think that Wroght might have purposefully said those things to try and damage Obama, for that was the first time anyone heard him say something like that.
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There is nothing gut wrenching about a democratic politician adopting an anti-war stance to an unpopular war started by a republican president.
Back when the war was popular with both parties and the President had an aproval rating over 60% there was something gut wrenching about him opposing the war.
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And as far a funding the war, He's done it every year Geroge W. has told him too.
He usually tries several times to get funding bills with timetables through to the whitehouse only to have them Vetoed by McCain, sorry, I mean Bush, I just can't tell those two apart, it's like Bush made a copy of his brain and put it in McCain. Then he just says "Fuck It, might as well fund them, because if I know you, you'd probably starve the troops to death to make us give you the money." _________________
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject:
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I guess I have'nt been paying that much attention to B.O., but I thought he opposed the war in the U.S. Senate. I was shocked to learn he was'nt in the senate at the time, and it's looking more and more to me like he staked his opposition to the war on a purely personal basis to further his own agenda at becoming a U.S. Senator.
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Actually his opposition to the war cost him dearly when everyone was for the war. Caused political backlash and it made him lose his first attempt at US Senate.
wrong Sparta, See! even you are uninformed of B.O.'s history. In his first bid as a U.S. representative in the house he lost the democratic primary to Bobby Rush in the March 21, 2000 democratic Primary. Bill Clinton Was still in office at the Time and 9/11 was still 16 months away and the decision to got to war with Iraq was still 2 years away.
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The only real experience B.O has is his 20 year affiliation with the ignorant, racist Reverend wright's Church
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Reverand Wright NEVER said anything rascist while Obama was there. Some experts think that Wroght might have purposefully said those things to try and damage Obama, for that was the first time anyone heard him say something like that.
Just admit it, Obama is a racist. He know what was going on in the church. Give me a Break.
Wright founded Trumpet Newsmagazine in 1982 as a "church newspaper"--primarily for his own congregation, one gathers--to "preach a message of social justice to those who might not hear it in worship service." So Obama's presence at sermons is not the only measure of his knowledge of Wright's views. Glance through even a single issue of Trumpet, and Wright's radical politics are everywhere--in the pictures, the headlines, the highlighted quotations, and above all in the articles themselves. It seems inconceivable that, in 20 years, Obama would never have picked up a copy of Trumpet.
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There is nothing gut wrenching about a democratic politician adopting an anti-war stance to an unpopular war started by a republican president.
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Back when the war was popular with both parties and the President had an aproval rating over 60% there was something gut wrenching about him opposing the war
Maybe if you were a republican, but if you were a democrat it was a good polictial and caluclated move to make. This is the one issue the democrats pounded bush for and was very popular with the very energized left wing of the party.
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And as far a funding the war, He's done it every year Geroge W. has told him too
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He usually tries several times to get funding bills with timetables through to the whitehouse only to have them Vetoed by McCain, sorry, I mean Bush, I just can't tell those two apart, it's like Bush made a copy of his brain and put it in McCain. Then he just says "Fuck It, might as well fund them, because if I know you, you'd probably starve the troops to death to make us give you the money."
Oh I get it.
Like when B.O recently came out for a government surveillance bill (FISA) he once opposed. He said Fuck it.
He reversed his stance on accepting public financing. Fuck it again
He was a black liberation church member for 20 years. Fuck it why not.
He was right to give up on Iraq when Bush moved made a real decision to begin the surge. Fuck that too. (I don't here too much on this one
He's slowly coming around to Offshore drilling. Fuck the tire gauge idea.
I get it. I like it.
So honestly answer this one. How are we to get an honest assessment of how Obama is running a campaign when he raised more money ever than anyone and who's cash flow he can turn on and off like a water faucett from internet sources.
I'm now revising Winston churchill's famous quote on Democracy.
The best arguement against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average Obama donor.
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