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Archaeologists extracting ancient lovers
 
| Quote: | The pair, buried between 5,000 and 6,000 years ago in the late Neolithic period, are believed to be a man and a woman who died young, because their teeth were found intact. Archaeologists have hailed the find, saying that double burials from that period are rare and none have been found in such a touching pose.
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Mantua's archaeological office said in a statement Tuesday that, in some cases of the period, the wife would be sacrificed when her husband died and buried with him. However, the statement said that "at the current stage of research" there was no evidence that this was what happened to Mantua pair.
Alongside the couple, archaeologists found flint tools, including an arrowhead and a knife. Experts plan to analyze the tools along with the earth the couple was buried in to see if there are remains of flowers or plants that might have decorated the bodies, Menotti said. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Aww, but how do they know that they were lovers? They could be siblings or friends. Either way, at least they did not die alone.
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Don't fear the Reaper, baby...
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I don't understand why the news is so insistent that they died together, playing up the "young lovers" angle.
I think it unlikely they died in that position, or probably even "together". They were probably related or acquainted, but the odds of assuming such a dramatic pose in death and then lying undisturbed for 5,000 years are pretty long. I'm guessing that either they died in close proximity of time and space to one another and were buried together for sentimental or logistical reasons...or that the more socially relevant died first, and the second one was sent along to ease his journey to the afterlife.
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | I don't understand why the news is so insistent that they died together, playing up the "young lovers" angle.
I think it unlikely they died in that position, or probably even "together". They were probably related or acquainted, but the odds of assuming such a dramatic pose in death and then lying undisturbed for 5,000 years are pretty long. I'm guessing that either they died in close proximity of time and space to one another and were buried together for sentimental or logistical reasons...or that the more socially relevant died first, and the second one was sent along to ease his journey to the afterlife. |
Yup...
| Quote: | | Mantua's archaeological office said in a statement Tuesday that, in some cases of the period, the wife would be sacrificed when her husband died and buried with him. However, the statement said that "at the current stage of research" there was no evidence that this was what happened to Mantua pair. |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | I don't understand why the news is so insistent that they died together, playing up the "young lovers" angle. |
Probably because we're coming up on the most annoying, pathetic, sappy days of the year. Yep, it's tomorrow.
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I don't really think they're playing up the "died together", so much as the "buried together" angle. C'mon- that embrace is an awesome archaeological find! It really brings human history to life! It's fun when you're not just looking for artifacts and old bones, but you're excavating the past - and these were living, breathing people just like you and me, not just some old dusty bones. Their burial positions echo this wonderfully.
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| Mr_C wrote: | | I don't really think they're playing up the "died together", so much as the "buried together" angle. C'mon- that embrace is an awesome archaeological find! It really brings human history to life! It's fun when you're not just looking for artifacts and old bones, but you're excavating the past - and these were living, breathing people just like you and me, not just some old dusty bones. Their burial positions echo this wonderfully. |
Either way, its a bit overplayed, especially not knowing the circumstances. For all we know, they could be a master and his concubine slave. That kind of kills the romance, doesn't it...the possibility of some poor girl being sold as a "comfort creature" and then having to serve a master even beyond the grave?
Don't get me wrong. I would be very happy if it were a loving couple's last embrace at the moment of sudden death, but knowing what we do about the ancient world, there are dozens of other much less savory scenarios. I just think trumpeting them as "young lovers" with absolutely no evidence paints it with an unnecessarily rosy brush. Until we know more, artifacts and old bones is exactly what they are at this point.
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | Mr_C wrote: | | I don't really think they're playing up the "died together", so much as the "buried together" angle. C'mon- that embrace is an awesome archaeological find! It really brings human history to life! It's fun when you're not just looking for artifacts and old bones, but you're excavating the past - and these were living, breathing people just like you and me, not just some old dusty bones. Their burial positions echo this wonderfully. |
Either way, its a bit overplayed, especially not knowing the circumstances. For all we know, they could be a master and his concubine slave. That kind of kills the romance, doesn't it...the possibility of some poor girl being sold as a "comfort creature" and then having to serve a master even beyond the grave? |
that just makes it incredibly HOT... 
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| Moloth wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | Either way, its a bit overplayed, especially not knowing the circumstances. For all we know, they could be a master and his concubine slave. That kind of kills the romance, doesn't it...the possibility of some poor girl being sold as a "comfort creature" and then having to serve a master even beyond the grave? |
that just makes it incredibly HOT... |
Hmmmmm....got a thing for slavegirls, Moloth?
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Sweet.
I'm gonna force some girl to die with me too. |
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| Uncertainty wrote: | Sweet.
I'm gonna force some girl to die with me too. |
so... you're gonna get married?
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| Moloth wrote: | | Uncertainty wrote: | Sweet.
I'm gonna force some girl to die with me too. |
so... you're gonna get married? |
That's the oldschool way.
Actually I could like dig up a bunch of bodies and then put them all around my grave and make mine in the center and maybe stand out. Then in the future everyone will think I was all important. That's easier than actually doing something important, woo. |
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| Uncertainty wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Uncertainty wrote: | Sweet.
I'm gonna force some girl to die with me too. |
so... you're gonna get married? |
That's the oldschool way.
Actually I could like dig up a bunch of bodies and then put them all around my grave and make mine in the center and maybe stand out. Then in the future everyone will think I was all important. That's easier than actually doing something important, woo. |
LOL.... i like the way you think... 
EDIT: and i'm gonna dress 'em up in Princess Leia slave-girl outfits.
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | Mr_C wrote: | | I don't really think they're playing up the "died together", so much as the "buried together" angle. C'mon- that embrace is an awesome archaeological find! It really brings human history to life! It's fun when you're not just looking for artifacts and old bones, but you're excavating the past - and these were living, breathing people just like you and me, not just some old dusty bones. Their burial positions echo this wonderfully. |
Either way, its a bit overplayed, especially not knowing the circumstances. For all we know, they could be a master and his concubine slave. That kind of kills the romance, doesn't it...the possibility of some poor girl being sold as a "comfort creature" and then having to serve a master even beyond the grave?
Don't get me wrong. I would be very happy if it were a loving couple's last embrace at the moment of sudden death, but knowing what we do about the ancient world, there are dozens of other much less savory scenarios. I just think trumpeting them as "young lovers" with absolutely no evidence paints it with an unnecessarily rosy brush. Until we know more, artifacts and old bones is exactly what they are at this point. |
Dude, you're harshing my mellow. They're not just artifacts and old bones, to be sure. But along the same lines, I was sort of hoping that it would be two guys or two girls; just because it would be funny. |
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